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by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:38 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: A Challenge in Honor of Her Majesty Anne Marie
Replies: 6
Views: 676

Gods dammit, I need to travel more...

By which I mean that I wish I could face you on the field of honour, there to do honour to both my Lady and your Queen's Majesty.

Fight well, milord.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:18 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

If it is a technique or skill-set, designed for, or intentionally applicable to, voluntarily causing pain and trauma to the body of another human being in the pursuit of aggression or defense therefrom, it is a martial art.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:38 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: DON'T BREAK YOUR TOYS
Replies: 87
Views: 3849

My third would be, in the words of my knight, "You can't win practice." I used to be partuicularly bad at this... I would go to practice with the intent of "winning" my fights.... which is great, except that instead ot working on a technicque or polishing a transition, I was just brawling....
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:30 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

For me the difference in strip fencing and a "martial" art is that while strip fencing may have originated in combative arts, it is now thoroughly castrated as a combat application... the disincentives to employing actual combative techniques in strip-fencing are enormous... The "weapon" barely res...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:53 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

James, Kendo is the "do" to kenjutsu similar and is called fencing in the community. I have little knowledge of strip fencing unfortunately but was the sport birth from field applications? It appears martial in the sense of the word. For me the difference in strip fencing and a "martial" art is tha...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:22 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

James B. wrote:Frankly I don't see why you guys fight about it; it is meaningless either way.
Because it's what we do around here. :wink:
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:01 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

Why do I see this devolving into why a Ninja/samurai can kill a knight? The idea of eastern martial arts is what people use to define martial arts in their minds. Its just the way it is. That said, I disagree with their definitions, but I still don't see SCA fighting as a martial art, rather a mart...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:34 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

Actually, the regionalism thing is a fun one to explore: after all, medieval people were not terribly well-traveled. Even going on Crusade meant dedicating a year or two just to travel time in some cases. We tend to fixate on great battles and tourneys, for which people would have traveled great dis...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:21 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

liguangming: no battlefield application? I use a baton at work and guess what: I employ my SCA techniques to do it. I have also been in brawls that included various bludgeoning weapons and guess what? I used SCA techniques to gain an advantage. As for ranking and such, I have seen far more inconsist...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:23 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Trying to make a falcata....need help
Replies: 9
Views: 638

epic, dude.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:59 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is SCA "Combat" a martial art (however impractical
Replies: 112
Views: 4097

My definition of a martial art is a set of techniques and a form of conditioning that, used with intent in a real fight, would grant me an advantage. While the SCA is not a COMPLETE martial art in that it does not incorporate unarmed combat (at least.. not at official events...), I am confident that...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:36 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Cup de Charney
Replies: 41
Views: 1825

Wow. and a more unchivalrous and petty response, I cannot imagine. Thanks for showing us all how it's done, milord.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:49 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Madu thread
Replies: 141
Views: 4157

More than one way to skin a knight, is what you're saying?

Aye.

Most extant polearms are from the 1400s onward, so their purpose was to break charges by cavalry and chop into fully armoured men.

I'd be interested to see how mass differed in age-of-maille weapons.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:38 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Madu thread
Replies: 141
Views: 4157

I used to run the "Page to Knight" program and do security at the Glenbow Museum, which actually has a sizeable collection of medieval arms... and I have to agree with his Grace- The mass of a medieval pole-arm, when compared to an SCA simulator, is pacadermic. Most of the functional pole-arms I've ...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:48 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: TESTING THE VITUS SYSTEM
Replies: 105
Views: 4715

Thanks everyone for words, advice, etc... I knew I was going to stir the pot when I raised the question, but I didn't think it would get quite so.... animated :) I'm @ practice again tonight, and my squire bros. and I will be testing this further, along with anyone else who cares to give it a whirl....
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:47 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Madu thread
Replies: 141
Views: 4157

Bob H wrote:
And mine, as well. I'm just trying to figure just what convention(s) of our combat makes them work so well ... and, they do.
Last one was hastily posted before leaving work and now I'm drunk... will elaborate when sober.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:48 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Madu thread
Replies: 141
Views: 4157

I disagree that the medieval warrior would obviously have discovered a weapon that worked just because someone elsewhere was able to to discover it. That would mean that every culture would have developed ALL of the same weapons. While some are fairly analagous, others are just plain weird... and a ...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:31 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Argentinian made armour?
Replies: 15
Views: 700

Enrique: Start an SCA branch. Or an EMP branch. Something. Give it a Reconquista theme. Push the Equestrian events, since Argentina's BIG into horses, last I recall. Do what these guys said and do museums and such. All over Latinoamerica. This might mean focusing on Conquistador-era stuff, but you m...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:57 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Warhammers anyone?
Replies: 90
Views: 4729

Pending pics, I'm in!
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:24 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's a christian?
Replies: 26
Views: 1133

Do we know what artifact specifically was being used for the "in period" argument? Do we have pics from the collection it's held in/catalog number?

I've handled a few madus, and I've yet to see one from in period.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:09 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's a christian?
Replies: 26
Views: 1133

Most madus I've handled are horn spikes, not remotely as long as hte majority of SCA madus I've seen.

don't think they'd defeat maille... I wouldn't want to get stabbed with one through chain, but I dount it would put me out of the fight.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:16 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's a christian?
Replies: 26
Views: 1133

Freiman- Stone's Glossary?

I ask because every extant madu I've seen and every representation I've seen was later period than what we do.

what's the ISBN on Stone's glossary?
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:09 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

Nissan Maxima wrote:Hey Violen,
The guy you are advising to suck it up eats guys like you for snacks. Just sayin :twisted:
I sense a disturbance in the force, as if a set of ribs cried out in fear and then were suddenly silenced....
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:18 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

Logan the Red wrote:
Vitus von Atzinger wrote:When did the standard become chain over boiled leather?
When you want your AC to go from 8 to 5. BTW I think you gotta be 35 or older to get that!
Get with the program.. you want a higher AC these days :) there IS no more THAC0, old man. :P

Your way is so 2nd Edition...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:36 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

I think (correct me if I'm wrong guys) that some of the spring pieces might actually be LIGHTER than their leather or plastic equivalents :P
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:29 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

:shock:

Wow. They need to work on that wording. stat.

:P
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:06 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

Well, if I have "boiled leather leg defense" and am wearing a gambeson and hauberk.. the gamb and hauberk hang down to my knee... OVER the bouled leather leg defense.... likewise, if I'm wearing cuirboulli arm defenses AND a hauberk (which has wrist-length sleeves, then I am wearing BOTH chain AND l...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:01 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

If you consider the reality of the Armour Standard from an informed perspective, a limb blow is much more likely to be a fight-ender. Boiled leather is hard- I make it every week...but you can cut it. You can't cut through a helmet. Oh I know cuirboulli can be cut.. but a properly made boiled-leath...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:37 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

Just saying.. 'cause if I was wearing cuirboulli AND chain on my limbs... "disabling" would be a LONG way from here.

:shock:

I hadn't read that segment carefully in ages.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:33 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's a christian?
Replies: 26
Views: 1133

Madus are icky.

Grossly out of period, never documented outside of India and historically, about 1/4 the size that the SCA typically uses.....

They make me throw up a little.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:29 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

If I were only calling the shots that hurt me, I'd be unkillable from the shortribs to the hips, sicnce my space-age lacrosse girdle makes me a tank there. I'd also ignore 99% of contact to my elbows and shoulders. I wasn't aware we were discussing calibration. I thought we were discussing "penalti...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:27 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

...Just rereading the presumed armour standard... do you guys interpret the boiled leather arm and leg defenses and hauberk combo to mean that for the whole length of my arm and over my thighs, I am protected by both chainmail AND cuirboulli?...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:18 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

If I were only calling the shots that hurt me, I'd be unkillable from the shortribs to the hips, sicnce my space-age lacrosse girdle makes me a tank there. I'd also ignore 99% of contact to my elbows and shoulders.
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:11 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

Yeah it is. If you get hit with a sufficient blow to the leg, that leg is disabled. Can't use it anymore. Sounds fair to me in a fight sport that is not based on actually killing, disabling, or harming your opponent for real. *blink* That's not what I was saying. what I was addressing was that the ...
by Francisco Lopez de Leon
Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:57 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What I did and why.
Replies: 183
Views: 6336

He's doing HIS period right and getting penalized, is what he's saying, Eirik. he's not saying you're doing it wrong by doing YOUR period in your period's armour- he's saying that he's being penalized for wearing historically correct armour of his period instead of, say, soupcan knees over volleyba...

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