The Armour Archive

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There is the one in the Musee de L'Armee in Paris. The one they display upside down... Its in Manoucheher's huge photo gallery of that museum. Thanks- I have been there a few times and it never even clicked what on Earth that thing was! Just shows what context and correct display placement can mean!

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I doubt very much there is an extent one...

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Yeah that is one of the early 15thC ones I was thinking of. With the built in besagew you can get an idea of how full pauldrons developed!

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There just isn't that much extent armour from the 14thC! Not sure I have ever seen a surviving spaulder (except the spade shaped plates on CoPs) of any sort from the period... Could be wrong but none spring to mind... ps. Oh yeah those funny Met harness plates... Forgot those- Not really the laminat...

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I must admit i was pretty doubtful about the whole leather hose (well upper Stocks really) thing until someone posted a bunch of stuff on the Landsknecht forum about it - including pictures of extent ones! Me too but there are several references too them in the Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII...

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I must admit i was pretty doubtful about the whole leather hose (well upper Stocks really) thing until someone posted a bunch of stuff on the Landsknecht forum about it - including pictures of extent ones! @Garret - if you are after the general look then the livery gowns they were issued is the way ...

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In the book - "Before the Mast" there is an extensive section detailing the many jerkins they found on the Mary Rose. Pretty sure it has everything from stitching types to leather thickness- even if it has marks from being work under armour!

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Most surviving crests are made out of stuffed leather that has been gessoed and painted.

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(not counting puties!)

- i think 12C is about as late as I have ever seen them in a European context.

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What about the time period of the Cid? 11c?

Spanish stuff is cool from pretty much any period to be honest...

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There seems to be a whole lot of information regarding the Hospitallers, or Knights of St. John, through the crusades, and some marginal information after that. However, the Siege of Malta by Suleiman the Great is an awesome story, and there seems to be little information on here regarding mid-late...

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I have always like the look of this coat: http://www.landsknecht.org/forum/topics/coat-patterns http://api.ning.com/files/T6f2oz5aRpDto3zn8QK-gb07h343UnDLd90PFOLicLgjsVSaWH1O6REs49865tfd9cB8lxvcaTCnAX5LJ5FS*vYSiJP1sxFO/coat.jpg It does look a bit like the shoulder chape has been tied back to make a ...

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Ask these guys:

http://www.landsknecht.org/

There seems to be some very knowledgeable people on this site.

Yes that is a type of Partisan - I think that denotes his rank.

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Of course- if you are being accurate for 14thC the best way is to lace to your mail. There is no evidence for arming points off a doublet until the 15thC and those who have tried (with fine link mail) have a lot of trouble pulling the lace through the mail link from underneath (rather than lacing fr...

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I know someone who made a rough copy and used it (I faced it many times and had a go once myself). Certainly takes some getting used to but it is usable. Terrifying to face - the main defense is how much you just don't want to get hit by it!!!

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I have seen this sword several times and I can tell you a few things for certain. 1. it is HUGE! but not massive - by that I mean it is long but it is quite fine for it's size. 2. it is made and proportioned like any 14thC sword of war - albeit with its longer lengths - it is NOT built like the mons...

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ps. I assume everyone has seen Captain Alatriste??? OOOH BABY! You Bet! Rapiers, Matchlocks, Wheellocks, what else could you want, other than some decent cavalry? (The French Cavalry rather sucked in the film, I'm afraid. They were LOTS better than that! But there I go, making historical demands on...

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Yeah it is a Dumas novel.
I think the film even takes liberties with that! The main thing is the way they differentiate Catholics and Protestants in a stylised way... Like exaggerating Cavaliers (Yah!) and Roundheads (Boo!) in a film about the ECW.

ps. I assume everyone has seen Captain Alatriste???

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Ah! It was Henri de Bourbon! I missed the start of the news article which seemed very confused as they seemed to be saying it was from the Revolution when what they meant was it went MISSING during the Revolution! And the described him as the King of France... I did see footage of the head though. M...

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ps. slightly off topic - I managed to find a copy of Queen Margot on DVD to replace my old one.... mmmmm Isabelle Adjani.......... Oh and the horses in the hunting seen are stunning as well! Gads. I couldn't get past the first few scenes. Long hair and general scoogieness on Valois princes! AACK! I...

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About the only further secondary source I can think of would be anything you can get your hands on from the armeria reÃ¡l in Madrid concerning the armour and arming clothes of Charles V (Carlos Primero) and Philip II (Felipe II). Although much of the actual collection is scattered to the winds, the...

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I don't think anyone has made this point yet but one of the main things that changed about arming during the 16thC is that the shoulder armour and the arm armour became one. Initially this was mostly on cheaper munitions harness but is gradually became more widespread. What this means is that the pa...

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DavidEvans wrote: I'd be careful over using the fencing doublets as a pattern, there's nearly a centmetre of padding over the shoulders, upper chest and upper arms under a soft suede like leather...

Yep - a "doublet of defense" and an "arming doublet" are NOT the same thing!

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Here are a couple of quick links... Will try to get some more. http://www.wga.hu/art/d/dossi/dosso/warrior.jpg http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/Bwaze/Arming%20doublets/1515byJanProvoostBruggeMuseumvoorSchooneKunsten.jpg http://www.fulltable.com/VTS/l/lo/45.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/c/cavazzol/w...

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Ok here is a QUICK rundown of what I have found... This is by no means conclusive and I am still researching. Initially the arming clothes are merely updated versions of the 15thC style of system - with a heavy canvas/fustain etc arming doublet (strong and well lined but not really padded) and hose ...

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A singlet was more an undergarment - I guess they may have been sleeveless like the modern version as one arming document (15thC) mentions a sleeveless and collerless "petticote) worn under the arming doublet.

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A doublet by its very nature is lined (hence Doubling) otherwise it would be called a singlet!

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This is something I have been looking into extensively over the last year. To be honest you will need to be more specific as to the period as well as the status you are going for. At the start of the 1500s they seem to be wearing arming doublets like 15thC versions but cut in the current fashion. Th...

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Even the reindeer started out as Wildman attendants dressed in reindeer hides and follow the standard cultural traditions of dancing fools (Dasher and Prancer) a wild woman (Vixen) and so on (sorry I forget the others). Yah. I don't t'ink Panzer and Blitzkrieg are real reindeer names. 8) Yeah donne...

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Does anyone have any evidence of Landsknechts using chainmaille sabatons? I've been trying to figure a way to cover my SCA fighting boots. I'm NOT fighting in cowmouths, and I was wondering if mail "spats" would be a decent comprimise? there are images of Landsknechts wearing ankle boots - I would ...

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Right now, nobody around here's decorating them any other way, Drag. Awesome! Nothing looks better or is more rewarding than when you go for classic looks... I know some people love to find odd exceptions but the classic looks in each period/area are hard to beat and always look fantastic when comp...

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For the Mafia - remember that many images in the 14thC show a scalloped leather trim/roll at the top edge...

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Santa is such a conglomerate character with influences from Russian St. Nick Icons etc. BUT for the most part his look is that of a highly sterilised and stripped back "Wild Man" popular throughout Europe. Even the reindeer started out as Wildman attendants dressed in reindeer hides and follow the s...

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I don't think added mail to plate is so far fetched when you consider camails/aventails...

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Gaston, There is nothing keeping the sleeves of the habergeon in the vambraces. The sleeves can not slide easily up the forearm because they are tapered. I believe they stay in place and don't cause any trouble; or at least, G has not complained to me that they do. Mac Yep I always wore 3/4 sleeves...

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