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Pekka

What about 5702-244-60 ?

Pekka

Pekka

How about joining a Yahoo-group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rivetedmaille/
You need to join the club to see all the albums, but I think that it's worth of it.
Kurttupeiko(peikko?); I may still have some semi-finished pliers hanging around somewhere, for what kind of pliers you were looking after ?

Pekka

http://www.seastrom-mfg.com

Pekka

It was more like hostility between the Swedes and the Finns (a bit like today, only we don't kill each others any more). There is not much written documents from that time, so it's hard to tell now, what was real and what's not. Some say that the first crusade to Finland by the Swedes was caused by ...

Pekka

When you look at the overlap closely, you can see that the flattened wire of the ring goes under the wire end in the overlap and the wire end in the overlap does not blend completely with the flattened ring wire; there is a small step (a bit rounded) in the wire end in the overlap, where it meets th...

Pekka

Hello Steve, It is funny, in how many different mail pieces you can see that 'step' when you learn what to look at. About the rivet setting: The hand pressure is sufficient enough to peen the rivet well. It's all about the tools. With peening pliers made of end nippers you defenetly need to hit with...

Pekka

None taken, He did say: "Why not just do a search for this subject here and on Arador" On Yahoo-group site there is no need for any search. It's all just about the riveted mail. And there is other mail in the world than just ErikDSchmid-mail, or am I mistaken ? Unfortunately I can't get that journal...

Pekka

Nicely answered, Justin. I would like to add something too in this point. If you are after the 'Steve-mail', then the only time when you need to hammer something is the flattening stage. Piercing the rivet holes and peening the rivets can be well made with different kind of pliers. I repeat: no hamm...

Pekka

Hello Mark !
About the Journal of the Arms and Armour: any advice how I get one into my hands ? I really would like to read your research article.

Sorry Steph, no links. I'm a bit mystery person

...and too busy to put up some fancy web-pages.

Pekka

Pekka

Yes, thank you, I allready had that article; and I didn't find the answers to my questions from there.
So I need to mail you as soon as I can find your mail address.
Tack ska du ha,
Pekka

Pekka

N B,
Might it be possible to get more details about the rivet holes (shape and size) ?
And were there domed rivet heads on both side of the rings or only on the other side ?
Tack sÃ¥ mycket.

Pekka

If there is someone interested of Scandinavian riveted mail, then you should read this:

http://www.archaeology.su.se/pdf/fehlton.pdf

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Pekka

I really, really do wish, that there gould be some close-up pics of that mail...

Pekka

Nearly out of topic but I thought that someone might like this http://www.vaasa.fi/pohjanmaanmuseo/suomi/arkeologisia.html Grave of an rider, about 800 A.D.from VÃ¶yri (Finland) In the pics: shield boss, sword, seax, (something that goes into horses mouth) and ango(finnish spear) [This message has b...

Pekka

How about 1.6mm wire and 7mm ID if you are going to make some butted mail but you do understand that there is nothing authentic in that stuff ? ------------------ But...you know I'm in the Peeled Nuts, Sir... Vimes nodded.'Those clowns who dress up and pretend to fight old battles with blunt swords,...

Pekka

When I drill tool steel dovels, I start drilling with my dremel and an diamond coated carving bit. Just a tiny deepening is enough.

Pekka

By Odin's beard ! Go ahead !

Pekka

Pekka

So far we know that the solid rings may have been punched, so they were flattened in cross section; but in this case, we are talking about the riveted rings.
I had not heard of semiflattened (riveted) rings from this period before.

Patience, brothers ! Let's wait the pictures !

Pekka

As Halvgrim said, this is really wery important news... semi-flattened, WOW ! Can't wait the pics (really I can, but it's sooo hard ) http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif Thank you, N-BjÃ¶rn ! Besides, it was interesting to know that ALL the rings were riveted. Has there been any x-ray tests d...

Pekka

Let's see if this works...
http://www.nba.fi/NATMUS/MUSEUM/Opetus/miekat.gif

Pekka

IT WORKS !

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Pekka

Ah, everything in order.

I just thought that you might know some pictures of the mail founds in the net allready.

Please, do not see too much trouble for me !

BTW, those pictures of the Torslunda helmet dies were great, tack igen !

Pekka frÃ¥n Finnland

Pekka

So, no info from the mail pieces found from the Birka ?

Sigh, must find some other person willing to share the wisdom.

Anyone in there who knows something of the 'Vandel'mail founds or 'Pirka'mail founds or 'Wisbye'mail founds, I'm just looking for something(anything extra...

Pekka Olavsson

Pekka

Nah, only done some leukus (Saami puukko) to my friends.

BTW: BjÃ¶rn, do you happen to know any pics from Birka, that shows the maille pieces found from there. It would be just grand !
Tack so mycket !

Pekka

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Pekka

The most important thing : was there any mail founds ?

Pekka

So I need to ask it again :
How they used these dies ?
Was there a counterpart and the thin metal folio was pressed between them ? Or was the metal folio pressed between the die and some block of softer metal (lead) ?

If anyone could please be so kind to explain this...

Pekka

Has anyone tried to use similar dies lately ?
I'm just wondering how to use them presicely.

Pekka

I have sometimes used an angle grinder with thin (1mm) cutting blade for steel. I have used it for 14GA piano (hard) wire with exellent results: easily over 5000 rings in an hour and almost no sign of wearing in the blade. It leaves a little gag between the ring ends but it is easily fixed with prop...

Pekka

Yes, I know that Vike's article ( I have translated into finnish and still looking for some time to finish the english version). But even Vike refers to the studies by Arne JouttijÃ¤rvi from Danmark, who has done some studies specially from solid rings in mail pieces found in Danmark (some roman tim...

Pekka

At the moment it seems (in the light of some skandinavian studies) that punched rings were used as solid rings in every other row in the 'viking' byrnies before year 800. It is possible that they were used even later.Also in every mail byrnies from roman time there was solid punched rings in every o...

Pekka

The joke I heard was: What's the difference between the U.S. SCA and the european medieval time groups ? All the european groups are trying to do things like they were done on the medieval times...people in the U.S. SCA are trying to do things as they should have been done... Heh heh hee... Hur Ã¤r ...

Pekka

I believe that on that period wire was possibly made by cutting thin strips from a piece of metal sheet. Then it was drawn by using a draw-plate. The end of 'wire' was thinned, it was pushed through the first hole and drawn with pliers. Then it was annealed and after that it was drawn through a smal...

Pekka

Angle grinder with thin (1mm) steel cutting blade.

Pekka

Got your mail, Ab ! Thank's !
Pekka

Pekka

If that's not causing too much trouble to you, then here is my e-mail addy :

pekka_armoury@yahoo.com

And I'm really grateful !
Thanks AB !