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I prefer the larger Whitney punches, like a 7A or 8. They're a little more spendy new, though you can often find them used for dirt cheap (if I recall, I bought my used 8 in perfect condition for around the price a new #5). Though the extra strength is not necessary, it is a whole lot easier on your...

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I stumbled on this helpful closeup of A 127 from Wade's collection somewhere (Wade, this one isn't on your webpage) that illustrates some things well, I think. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/79/00/6c79009d00acd4200319ff948f846f0f.jpg If you look at the edge, you can see where the armorer stretched thi...

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Sooo...instead of a dishing form you supported the "fold" between body and roll and hit on air? Wasn't that wobbly af? Not any more so than raising anything else. I am glad you asked. It's forced me to consider where I was seeing problems earlier a bit more clearly, I think. In large part for all t...

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For anyone interested, Progress! First, another thing I was doing wrong. When forming up the roll, I was thinking too much about the two dimensional line (the cotter pin-ish shape) rather than the 3 dimensional necessity of stretching out the volume I need. Once I started focusing more on just creat...

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I got to spend a little bit of time in my friends shop today. Several unrelated things prevented me from getting as far as I'd planned, but I promised and update, so here we go: As I mentioned, I went with the curved template, albeit according to Mac's red lines and other suggestions, ditching the c...

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Thanks, Wade. Your timing in bringing this up is helpful. I think a common thread I'm seeing between different methods serves to highlight a couple of my errors. The overly simpified version seems to be that I have not been stretching things enough where they need to be stretched, in part, because I...

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Thank you for the suggestion, I hadn’t considered an option that would include covering everything up. Though two layers of padded clothing seems VERY hot. It depends on how you do it. What you have pictured seems equally more or heat trapping to me. Others are much more qualified to speak to perio...

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Your plan is to start rolling an innie right here? Pretty much. I think I need to there area right above the crease out and down a bit more and give that area more volume. Otherwise, let above area start to roll in on itself, more or less by accident as a consequence of raising. Maybe a small dedic...

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I give a big "Thank you!!!!" to everyone for the continued comments, advice, and differing thoughts of how to go about this. It's a huge help! I'm aware that I am overthinking things, particularly in context of making this part of a gorget. Some of this is deliberate, since I'm going to need to do q...

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Mmmmh. I see. In that case all I can say is sorry for clogging your thread. Now... why do you need the inside roll again? Where's the advantage? I never noted anything on that... No apology needed and nothing is clogged! We're all learning here. Much to the frustration of anyone who's tired to teac...

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There is a dubé Video out there on YT. There is no trick to it. Forehead. Last bit of advice I have is to start there, watch him do it. Maybe you find what's been going wrong. Hope it helps.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YDNydQauCgE Thanks! There's a key difference, though. He's doing an outside r...

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Brother, it just Struck me... you can't just turn it outwards like that. You have to stretch it with a straight peen. Did u do that? You nick the line where the roll starts, bend out just a few degrees, then you stretch. It'll roll itself out a good bit like that. That's how Dubé does it. This thre...

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Here are a couple of alternative approaches. 1. Roll first method around a brass wire. Melt brass wire out once shaping is done. This gives a round, hollow roll that can be hot worked with a chisel from the outside to sculpt the roping. For finer roping, just roll over a wire, chisel and file the r...

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When I've made the top rings I've used a long strip, made the roll (while flat) and then curl it into a ring. Roped decoration is made while it's flat as well. With this you'll have sides perpendicular to the top of the circle. To achieve the angle at the front I flare that area. This is after talk...

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Sooo... are we still talking about the roll you have sketched in your OP? That one doesn't appear inordinately large so as to give you this much trouble. This is from someone who still didn't manage to get access to one of the 3 empty garages in his backyard. Other point, you just described a proce...

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I did some more experimenting yesterday. I think one of my challenges is that I've been trying to apply a 14th/ 15th century solution to a 16th century problem. Here's my thinking. Please feel free to correct my ignorance: With the earlier outward rolls, they're more or less self correcting. Bang 'e...

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My two cents, for what it's worth (me being pretty inexperienced). 1. What Wade said. 2. Elaborating on one of Wade's suggestions: Definitely play with working on the inside. Once I learned what was possible with this, I rarely to never dish anything anymore. I feel I have a lot more control and get...

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Wierd thought... what happens if you turn an inwards roll on a straight piece and only then curl it up keeping the roll inwards... does the roll magically turn outwards where it is needed, all without thinning? [Now why would I ask sth stupid like that... simple. Someone here once wrote sth that I ...

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I was able to scrape up a couple of hours of shop time today. Good news and bad news. The good news is that the straight template (Actually, I didn't even bother with a real template. I just cut cut out a rectangle to the size I needed) resulted in having some more metal to play with/ not need to st...

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Different kind of project, but a good visual example of the kind of arc you can achieve from a straight rectangle of material. https://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=2852551#p2852551 Thanks! I remember this thread! I was very fortunate that is showed up around the time I was doing ...

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I just wandered over here and noticed the thread. I guess I should look more often. Straight strips. Really, it's the way to go. I think that there are lots of reasons for this. For me the most important is that it teaches you that what you start with isn't what you end with and it frees your mind ...

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Doing detailed pattern seems mostly counterintuitive to me. Ive made one gorget, started with top lames. I took two almost straight strips, bend them, did a roll and then I did hinges and all the cutting. It went without fuss and its OK as far as I can tell. I have always used starting pieces which...

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This is from Rene's Blog, here , middle of the page. Interesting. I'd missed that. Thanks! That sounds like a whole lot of fun to try, but I think I've run out of experimentation patience for now with this project. Someday I'd like my helmet project to actually involve building a helmet. :lol: I'd ...

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Doing detailed pattern seems mostly counterintuitive to me. Ive made one gorget, started with top lames. I took two almost straight strips, bend them, did a roll and then I did hinges and all the cutting. It went without fuss and its OK as far as I can tell. You're probably right. I have spent a lo...

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Soo...earlier reproduction here on the board did just that. Hemmed first, curled later. People did put a copper wire in the roll so it doesn't flatten in the process. Seemed to work...And the nice roping, wouldn't you do that to the peoce once it's pretty much finished anyway? Meaning hem, curl, th...

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I'm not sure I understand why you want to do that. So long as the starting pieces are long enough, the end shape does not matter; since you will be cutting it off. Mac I am certain it's rooted in my inexperience and overthinking things. :oops: :D My thought was that some sort of relief cut out was ...

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It it best to form those pieces without any of the hinge or overlap detail, and then cut away what you need to after they are hemmed and curved into shape. I would also recommend making them a bit longer then you think you need. The hem at the ends of the plates never goes as well as the rest, and ...

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Mark II In case it isn't obvious, my method for forming the roll has been the "beat it out to 45, then 90 degrees, then fold it back on itself" approach." I did a test piece prior to this and played around with trying to boss the thing out, but I could not manage to get it out far enough and wasn't ...

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I've been working on the top ring for a 16th century gorget. It's giving me a whole lot of problems and taking an extraordinary amount of time. Clearly I am approaching it wrong. Hopefully, some of you fine folks and steer me in a better direction. I'll lay out what I have done so far to better faci...

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Looking really good to me! I hope mine progresses half as well!

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I am really glad to see this thread. I stumbled on the same article and thought it was intriguing, though I was not entirely sold on it. I have been debating fluting for the helmet I am working on and methods for doing the incised lines. I've read the rotating wheel assertions and can't dispute them...

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Things I never thought I would hear, yet seems potentially imminent: "Does this armor make my butt look big?"

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Life stuff and some back and forth between drawings and paper templates has kept me busy for the past couple of weeks, but I think I've finally come up with a drawing for the gorget that I am reasonably content with. I figured I would be remiss if I did not offer Mac the opportunity to once again da...

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Here's a Pinterest board I'm pulling together for liners, numerous images shamelessly borrowed from several people here who've cobbled together similar boards. https://www.pinterest.com/rwwtworkshop/linings/?invite_code=ea8478d83b684de8ac0f6f619d2e9066&sender=740349763651866189 If you find anything ...

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I wonder if there is a way to do this with a more tractable material than spray foam. Plaster might be easier to control, but it's heavy. Perhaps one could make up much of the volume with something light and empty and apply plaster over that. I saw something, somewhere, at some point (yeah, really ...

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