The Armour Archive

Count Johnathan

FrauHirsch wrote:Every time I've fought someone with a basket hilted madu, I've been punched in the face with the basket hilt. Hard. Sometimes several times in one fight.

That's because they either sucked badly or they were intentionally cheating and being a douche.

Count Johnathan

...little closeing and mostly staying at or out of range developed..focus became quick relative shots to appendages defense went accordingly. Please tell me I am not the only one amused that, once again, the SCA may well be "backing into" an historical reality. This describes a fundamenta...

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I went to a fight the other day and a hockey game broke out.

Weird.

Count Johnathan

Baron Alejandro wrote:Sir,

You argue logical fallacies with someone who does not argue from logic, but rather emotion.

You are so right BA. How silly of me to think that the creation and enforcement of rules had anything to do with making any game what it is.

I must have been all emotional when I thought of that.

Count Johnathan

Rules change all the time, Johnathan. This is not the same game when I first started fighting in '77. Modifications have been introduced over the years for such varied reasons as safety, practicality, cohesion, and even to introduce a little historical perspective. There is no reason to expect that...

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Same old BS. Same old lines. Conform. More of the same. Don't rock the boat. I've heard it before. m Yeah well can your pussy do the dog? m Rules make the game so my contention is that altering the rules would make this a different game. I like this game. If I wanted to play a different one I would...

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That looks very good. I would hang that on a wall instead of screwing it up by letting folks whack it with stick.

Nicely done.

Count Johnathan

Now that is very nice. Well done Vitus.

Count Johnathan

If for some unknown reason my blows are not acceptable inevitably when I am struck I lose and retain my honor and dignity. I've fought for the big prize before. That prize is not worth a lifetime of regret. Looking back over the years I am glad I never soiled my soul in the attempt to achieve a titl...

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Wow. I would expect more from a duke. Maybe you are tricky as well to compensate for the lack of speed. Some people are able to make up for slow attacks through other means. Old age and treachery, that sort of thing. cuz i move at 3.6442 times the speed of light? duh! logan .. what im talking about ...

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Your not alone in that feeling Ramius and it is not wrong. My intent when training a new fighter is to improve their abilities. I don't intend on reinforcing their ability to decide that a blow was not hard enough. Some folks may say accepting a light shot never made them a better fighter. I agree ...

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its not about socal acceptability, its about the rules. madus arent period weapons used under our charter, axe punches arent going to kill anyone. things that do fall under the rules are one handed spears, daggers, short swords. the debate on the upside down great swords still rages on though and, ...

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.. what im talking about is basically pressing the inside of my elbow against the front of his hilt and tracking it as it moves. Now why on earth would I ever allow you to do such a thing? If I stood there and allowed you to do that I would deserve the ass beating. Might as well not even show up if...

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ps same applies if i was forced to fight dual weapon against you, i would do everything to keep you at the range of my 5' spear. if you closed i would treat your left handed weapon the same as i do all hilted weapons and pin the hilt into the bend of my elbow of my right arm while throwing "fa...

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"Light but clean" is still light. - Scott Very true. I do not expect my opponents to accept 5s from me. Most people I know require about 7 out of me before considering it because they know how hard I normally strike them. When I fight new folks they generally accept 6 or above on my scale...

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Your comments on the subject are inspiring Violen. Getting hit in the back or stomache sucks. It turns most folks off. A wooden batton be it rattan or otherwise is a very unfriendly tool. According to wikipedia - "A truncheon or baton (also called a cosh, Paddy wacker, billystick, billy club, n...

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Your not alone in that feeling Ramius and it is not wrong. My intent when training a new fighter is to improve their abilities. I don't intend on reinforcing their ability to decide that a blow was not hard enough. Some folks may say accepting a light shot never made them a better fighter. I agree w...

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"Hard, Fast & Repeatedly" X 1 X 2 X 3 X 4......to X 10 With Honor X 10 constant.... It's Funny to me that my dad fits in with a slightly different mentality truly. Don't let him fool you though. I learned to be this way by following the examples of those around me. Obviously my father...

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I've got the steel cuirass and I need to get rid of it (unless I can use it for armor as worn tournaments). It works really well, and if people start throwing shots that feel "good" through that then when they miss and hit my arm it's going to break. Right now I have to take anything I ca...

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I agree with almost all your thoughts Sig. Thank you for the reply. "...by taking '5's and '6's you are training people to THROW 5s' and 6s' - even unconsciously..." I would agree if there was no explanation when fighting my opponents. If they are throwing 8s consistantly then it's all goo...

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I have seen some question as to how hard we should be striking and what should we be accepting as good blows. To me the take light part means accept blow at what most would consider to be a level 5 or better on a 1 to 10 power scale. The hit hard part means never throwing less than a 7, preferably a...

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Duke Logan said - "...honestly how could something, so limited in its attack, be effective? i mean, it pokes at you in short range. even if you accept a light thrust (and why on earth would you?) that range is so limited that its easy to defeat..." Respectfully I must disagree. Using one p...

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The way I look at it, it's a pointy stick on both ends. Pretty simple. I have to agree with the earlier post and say yeah it's a damn fine shield that you can see through. There are a few things you can do to render a madu useless but in the hands of a skilled fighter they can be brutal. It seems su...

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>As a matter of fact I tore the meniscus in my right knee while knee fighting on concrete. Shhhh! Somebody may call you a whiner. Wait what? Why would someone do that? The follow up was....wait for it.... ...I don't mind fighting from my knees... It's only whining if you hate knee fighting and you ...

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Yeah it is. If you get hit with a sufficient blow to the leg, that leg is disabled. Can't use it anymore. Sounds fair to me in a fight sport that is not based on actually killing, disabling, or harming your opponent for real. Ah, but is this the case? The earliest premise was that these blows -woul...

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Yeah it is. If you get hit with a sufficient blow to the leg, that leg is disabled. Can't use it anymore.

Sounds fair to me in a fight sport that is not based on actually killing, disabling, or harming your opponent for real.

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I guess so. Still I would be bummed out and might actually quit fighting altogether in the SCA if I would lose because my arm or leg was struck (even twice). I think it's lacking but that of course is my personal opinion. I understand why you do what you do to a point, though I do not agree. I wear ...

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Of course. I was not disputing that however guys who suck at blocking their legs will lose and may never feel bested.

Count Johnathan

Then keep it simple and just count to one regardless of target area. To be honest, Johnathan, because it's too easy. I'm afraid you would soon see fighting devolve into nothing but forearm and lower thigh attacks -- and shields everywhere grow to, oh, Atenveldt size. It's a wonderful kingdom you've...

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Then keep it simple and just count to one regardless of target area.

That would indicate a first blood style combat. That's period no? I mean appropriate for some time period anyway.

Count Johnathan

Hmmm makes sense about the concrete floors and all. I have always worn steel leg armour and never under poofy pants so that probably would annoy the hell out of me. I am glad I live wher the sun shines bright for 300 or more days of the year and that white frozen stuff never falls out of the sky. I ...

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No hostility here. Like I said I have been enjoying the conversation or I wouldn't be having it with you. I am curious. Would you (or your knight) mind sharing the eloquent and impassioned responses that have caused you to consider why others might appreciate the system as is? A brief summary perhap...

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That was the point of the discussion. No way to know what effect a change of ideas might have without asking.

It is better to know before taking action. I learned that the hard way.

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I'm not mad at you if that's what you think.

I was enjoying the pleasant discussion regardless of our contrary positions on the subject.

Count Johnathan

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