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by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:05 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

I understood why since I watched many people use them extremely effectively. It's pretty ugly in a violent sort of way. Am I understanding you correctly, punch bucklers were banned because they were to effective? As in safe, but too easy to win with? Too effective at it's purpose as a weapon. Peopl...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:43 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

That is my understanding as well. It isn't about safety, it is about lawsuits. It isn't any more dangerous for a 16 or 17 year old, but the chances of lawsuits are greater. Same with the waterbearing- If it were a safety issue, then they'd disallow it- but they didn't. Instead, they chose to make i...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:38 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

The issue is harm to a minor by an adult via sword fighting. - Safety for minors - and the SCA from lawsuit. This differs from my understanding of that situation. As I understand it via my discussion about it with Duke Alan (Artemisia KEM), the issue arises when a minor needed to be treated by chiu...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:49 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Thank you for admitting what you are doing. Instead of misrepresenting my words you could have asked me for an expansion on what I had said. You chose not to because that would not be as provocative. Instead of pulling something out of a response to another poster and twisting it you could have sim...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:42 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

16-18 year old fighters Waterbearing Both cases having nothing to do with safety or chivalry, but instead reactions to modern legal issues. Modern legal issues stemming from an "unsafe" environment yeah. The issue is harm to a minor by an adult via sword fighting. - Safety for minors - an...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:23 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Rattan combat? No not really. Well, ok then. Thought about this and would like to re adress it. Aesthetically we are advancing greatly. I mean amazingly so! Along with a lack of drastic rule changes to our sport our martial abilities have skyrocketed as well. We have been able to follow a functiona...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:57 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Do you recognize that what you've done is to label a thing as unchivalrous because it is unsafe ? Do you recognize that our current rules already do that or have you not read the rules lately? Just can't help yourself, can you ? Please stop it. Really, seriously, in all honesty and sincerity. Just ...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:51 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

After the initial trial and error phase and the introduction of fiberglass spears, let’s say in the past twenty years, what major changes have there been to SCA fighting rules Alejandro? The safe introduction of steel combat across the Society. Rattan combat? I couldn't tell you. But I have a que...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:45 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Still waiting for Kilkenny to show me what rules were put in place due to inter-kingdom politics. 9' spears at pennsic: we know 12' spears to be safe (and they are allowed by multiple big kingdoms), there's no chivalric difference in 3 feet, but pennsic weapons rules are a political concession to k...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:24 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Kilkenny wrote:Do you recognize that what you've done is to label a thing as unchivalrous because it is unsafe ?


Do you recognize that our current rules already do that or have you not read the rules lately?
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:11 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

After the initial trial and error phase and the introduction of fiberglass spears, let’s say in the past twenty years, what major changes have there been to SCA fighting rules Alejandro? Please no CA rules since they are in a nearly constant state of change. Also which of those rules changes were ...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:35 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

I think Baseball is boring. I suggest they change their rules because it has become too boring to watch. They do this, often, with every pro sport you care to name. Sometimes quite drastic changes. Oh alright.... Still though "new" rules in sports are usually to create game balance (fairn...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:20 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

What SCA fighting rule was created through inter-kingdom politics that was not in regards to safety, chivalry, or fairness which again falls under chivalry IMO? Dead from behind? Dead on the ground? Thrusts to the side of the helmet (I think those are considered killing blows in certain kingdoms, p...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:48 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

We might want to keep our focus on the question asked, rather than going off on another round of why nothing should ever change. We already have that thread. Alright I understand. Fair enough. I did already answer this though right? We used to allow stuff then it was determined to be either dangero...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:00 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

I think we 99% agree Eirik which is good enough for me. Yeah being a knight for that long is kind of cool. I feel bad that we don't knight young people anymore though. All my SCA heroes all got knighted in their late teens early 20's and I was happy to follow in their footsteps. Sorry to be OT.
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:53 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Next Caid Crown - no single-handed thrusting tips
Replies: 51
Views: 1203

Perhaps a noodle and wooden spoon would work. I find the ruling a little amusing coming from a guy who supports CA so much but I guess that is the difference between perceptions on "war" and "tourney" fighting. I suppose if he viewed "war" as tourney (ish) like I do in...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:47 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Next Caid Crown - no single-handed thrusting tips
Replies: 51
Views: 1203

I find the ruling a little amusing coming from a guy who supports CA so much but I guess that is the difference between perceptions on "war" and "tourney" fighting. My current King, who made this ruling does not care much for combat archery. You misrepresent him. I'm talking abo...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:28 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

We might want to keep our focus on the question asked, rather than going off on another round of why nothing should ever change. We already have that thread. Alright I understand. Fair enough. I did already answer this though right? We used to allow stuff then it was determined to be either dangero...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:24 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Dude we play a game based on medieval stuff. Our armor Tech is based on that as well. When we find a material that does exactly what rattan does aside from the falling apart bit I would support it completely. Till then the tech is the same. For as long as the SCA has existed we have had leather, st...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:06 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

We might want to keep our focus on the question asked, rather than going off on another round of why nothing should ever change. We already have that thread. Alright I understand. Fair enough. I did already answer this though right? We used to allow stuff then it was determined to be either dangero...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:02 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Re examine for spelling errors, loopholes or to minimize complexity yes. Re examine and remove rules because you don't remember or weren't around for when they were created = bad. Technology changes; new materials become available. It appears as if you support that we should ignore this and only re...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:53 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

My recolection of stories matches Johnos recolection of history... and it does make sense in many cases. Imagine a nice 3/4" thick plywood shield with aluminum edging and maybe a little rubber hose as friendly protection for rattan... but no where near thrusting tip padding. That shield plus a...
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:10 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

Re examine for spelling errors, loopholes or to minimize complexity yes. Re examine and remove rules because you don't remember or weren't around for when they were created = bad. All of our rules are based on those two very simple principles. Even though back in the early days crappy or insufficien...
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:53 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What's wrong with shield bashing?
Replies: 321
Views: 5064

In the early days of Atenveldt at least they did nearly everything you can imagine. They used flails, punched each other with shields, heck back then you were even allowed to hit a guy in the foot and he was supposed to take it! As they progressed they kept a couple of things in mind as far as comin...
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:02 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is anywhere else in the SCA as weird as the West Kingdom?
Replies: 109
Views: 4109

I just answered the main topic question is all. :wink:
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:04 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is anywhere else in the SCA as weird as the West Kingdom?
Replies: 109
Views: 4109

Is anywhere else in the SCA as weird as the West Kingdom?


No.
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:21 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Next Caid Crown - no single-handed thrusting tips
Replies: 51
Views: 1203

Perhaps a noodle and wooden spoon would work. Sorry scratch that. If it is a single handed noodle I think it would fall into this problem... 3. Flails are expressly prohibited. Or if it was 2 handed or a "mass" Noodle it would have this problem... 2. The weapon shall not be excessively fl...
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:52 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: West Kingdom Crown - shield size limit?
Replies: 21
Views: 801

From what I gather the shield sizes are based on how much or how little crap you are willing to take from the other fighters or how much of an ass whipping you can dish out to shut them up. :wink:
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:51 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Next Caid Crown - no single-handed thrusting tips
Replies: 51
Views: 1203

Perhaps a noodle and wooden spoon would work. I find the ruling a little amusing coming from a guy who supports CA so much but I guess that is the difference between perceptions on "war" and "tourney" fighting. I suppose if he viewed "war" as tourney (ish) like I do in ...
by Count Johnathan
Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:36 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Accepting Custom orders
Replies: 21
Views: 966

PM sent : )
by Count Johnathan
Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:25 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Accepting Custom orders
Replies: 21
Views: 966

Very nice work!

Curious about the gauntlets. Could you explain what they are constructed of and are they really tough enough to take a direct whack from a greatsword? Have you tested them and will they pass SCA standards?

Thanks :D

Looks awesome!
by Count Johnathan
Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:24 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Progress pics of Jiri Klepac German gothic gauntlets.
Replies: 89
Views: 5263

Jiri Klepac wrote::lol: Hey Johno, you really made my day again.... J.

Jiri


Glad to hear it. :D

How many hours went into them?
by Count Johnathan
Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:59 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Progress pics of Jiri Klepac German gothic gauntlets.
Replies: 89
Views: 5263

OMG! That's like pics of a hot girl doing Yoga ....grrrrr sexy. LOL :wink:

Flowers on the way!
by Count Johnathan
Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:34 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: My son wants to make a spangenhelm
Replies: 5
Views: 371

That is a really cool project for him. Nice!
by Count Johnathan
Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:07 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Johno's Helm thread
Replies: 150
Views: 6033

I have considered it but I have no experience with that sort of work. I might try it but I am not so confident in my ability to try something that level of difficulty at this point. I may try something of that nature just to do it eventually and for something like a visor I could replace the barstoc...