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by Count Johnathan
Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:44 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

If a person is afraid of getting hurt.... Wear More Armor What is this "afraid" thing that keeps being brought up? I wear plate man I am not concerned that I will get damaged beyond any risk I already assume. For some reason you guys attribute my consideration for others to be some sort o...
by Count Johnathan
Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:21 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Baron Eirik wrote:Weighed the sword. 1 lb 12 oz. about like I remembered.


Wow that's super light! Your sword also looks significanty more narrow than the 2 1/2" to 3" paddles some folks use.
by Count Johnathan
Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:08 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Come on really? What's that about? Yeah I am plenty controlled and I hit hard but not beyond what is needed. Sometimes though somebody will zig when they should have zagged and they get hit a little harder than normal. It happens. If it happens when someone is using a thick stick the effect is that ...
by Count Johnathan
Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:02 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Johno, I certainly don't want to continue the name calling, etc but I have read through this entire thread and I am just not following your logic... so please understand that my comments and questions are coming from me scratching my head not me trying to be a prick. I currently own four one handed...
by Count Johnathan
Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:41 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Jono I will take your name off it if you want me to. I really do mean it in jest, I think folks on this board take things too sereously some times. this is a game and it is supposed to be fun. making things appear more historical is fun for me, hurting my friends is not. I assure you that if I am i...
by Count Johnathan
Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:06 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: some fighters I admire, and why
Replies: 24
Views: 1718

I admire all fighters that go through the torture of being a noob and tough it out to become a veteran. Our sport is anything but easy.
by Count Johnathan
Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:58 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Piers Brent wrote:
Johno wrote:It isn't just me I can tell you that much.


You are absolutely correct but it has gone up exponentially since you arrived.


Touché
by Count Johnathan
Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:25 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

I'm all for realistic looking weapons. I don't think I can post more without being insulting. I'm with you here. You really can't discuss someone who assumes the worst in other people. If I wanted that, I would go to the Political Board. Johno, if you are so certain that by having a shaved rattan s...
by Count Johnathan
Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:49 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Alright I'll take that in stride. HA ha funny Just be careful if you name that sword after me it may well be very powerful and cause mass destruction. I warned ya. Behold! the Johnos! Now to hunt down Leo with it and save the SCA Honestly I can't believe you actually did this. I see the picture and...
by Count Johnathan
Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:16 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Good renown is everything and takes years to achieve. Bad renown is instant and can last forever. You dont get to choose it, others do it for you by watching your actions and listening to your words. You only choose what they are exposed to by you. Johno, Go to practice and fight hard you are carry...
by Count Johnathan
Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:17 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Alright I'll take that in stride. HA ha funny

Just be careful if you name that sword after me it may well be very powerful and cause mass destruction.

I warned ya.
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:37 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

How is it that you feel so comfortable and justified saying things like this? How polite of you. I'm just trying to clear up any misunderstanding as to why people are reacting so negatively towards you. I used to piss people off in much the same way (I think I'm getting better). Several people call...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:46 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

I have also not been unkind or rude to anyone Yes you have, consistently across many posts. You appear to believe that your opinion is The One True Way, and that anyone who disagrees with you is either: a) acting dangerously, b) acting unchivalrously, and/or c) out to destroy the SCA. We build our ...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:21 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

I'm all for realistic looking weapons. I don't think I can post more without being insulting. I'm with you here. You really can't discuss someone who assumes the worst in other people. If I wanted that, I would go to the Political Board. Johno, if you are so certain that by having a shaved rattan s...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:11 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Lets table it till Monday PM . I have set up the tensile tester but oddly enough I do not have any rattan on me right now. Who knew I would need it? I will determine the modulus of elasticity of: 1. An unaltered round. 2. A shaped piece made from this same stick. 3. Another, larger shaped piece tha...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:04 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

The STICK is a tool. Police the person USING it. . OK good point. Why not use laminated wedge shaped swords then huh? Seriously we can control ourselves right so why bother with weapon standards at all? Damned good point Dilan. Because they're not legal? But in the above logic I am asking why not? ...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:52 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Dilan wrote:
The STICK is a tool.

Police the person USING it.


.


OK good point.

Why not use laminated wedge shaped swords then huh? Seriously we can control ourselves right so why bother with weapon standards at all?

Damned good point Dilan.
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:39 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

No Dilan the swords hit harder which is the problem. The more the rules are bent and loopholes are exploited the worse it will get. The intent is to use rattan that is flexible. The point of the rule is not telling you to use a thicker piece of rattan that does not flex so you can shape it down to ...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:35 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

I did mention that it is vague and possibly in need of some review being that some people don't seem to understand that the purpose of the rule is to keep rattan flexible enough to limit injury. Using large rattan that we know has very little "flex" might need some consideration in that r...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:13 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

No Dilan the swords hit harder which is the problem. The more the rules are bent and loopholes are exploited the worse it will get. The intent is to use rattan that is flexible. The point of the rule is not telling you to use a thicker piece of rattan that does not flex so you can shape it down to l...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:55 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Knowing that and still using it seems to me a violation of rule # 6 according to the rules of the list. What are you calling rule #6? m VII.A.6. The striking surfaces of all weapons, including the tip, shall be wrapped in a manner that allows no rattan splinters to protrude. VII.B.6. 6. Swords shal...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:48 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Waaaaiiit.... You said shaving the rattan made it STIFFER. Now you are changing your tune - well, modifying it at least. So riddle me this - a SHORTER piece of rattan will have less flex than a longer piece the same diameter. So, no short swords, dagger or any weapon below a certain length? Or weig...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:42 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

All in all I am not trying to call anyone here a cheater. The written rule does seem to lack some definition and leaves it open to interpretation. What I do know is that wedges were banned long ago because of the reasons that have been discussed - More force generated and harder hits. IMO it is a go...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:15 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Johno, is it the actual shaping of the sword that that you feel is not right or the fact that larger than 1.25 inch diameter rattan is used? Do you feel that using a round 2.25 diameter stick of rattan would be acceptable within the rules or not? Does shaving 1/2 inch off of each side make it less ...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:53 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

And I'm saying that if I were using the full, round, 2.25 inch dia. piece of rattan, it would be just as (in)flexible as after I've shaved it to shape. And I'd have to back off on the force at least as much as I do for the finished product. The shaving has not changed the flexibility. Thick rattan ...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:29 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Everybody who uses them says thay hit harder. In fact yes they do. Is shaping a stick of rattan not treating them? Treat - To subject to a process, action, or change, especially to a chemical or physical process or application. Is that not a physical process? 11. Rattan shall not be treated in any w...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:46 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shaped rattan weapons (pic heavy)
Replies: 338
Views: 10689

Pics of the scary sword I didn't say it was scary. I said it is against the rules. 11. Rattan shall not be treated in any way that will substantially reduce its flexibility treat - To subject to a process, action, or change, especially to a chemical or physical process or application. "...ratt...
by Count Johnathan
Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:04 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Attempting to use the stuff
Replies: 76
Views: 1735

You can't have it both ways sorry. I quoted the damned conversation guys. Too late to change your tune about it now. "I can take a 39" round 1 3/8" rattan stick and flex it over my knee. Can't do that with my sword, no visible flex at all. Again, still doesn't act like steel, but is l...
by Count Johnathan
Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:31 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Attempting to use the stuff
Replies: 76
Views: 1735

I believe that if you compare a shaped rattan sword of, say, 2" blade depth against a 2" diameter unshaped stick you won't find any difference in stiffness. But if you compare that shaped 2" stick against a round stick of matching weight, it will be quite a bit stiffer than the unsha...
by Count Johnathan
Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:17 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Attempting to use the stuff
Replies: 76
Views: 1735

When you say "bounce chopping" I am guessing that would be throwing combinations with speed using the recoil from a flexible rattan strike that just doesn't exist with steel.

Is that correct or do you mean something else?

Thx Leo
by Count Johnathan
Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:45 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Height and weight of SCA fighters.
Replies: 317
Views: 7134

wow after 2 pages we are at 11,699 pounds of fighter for a rough average of about 220.

Crazy.
by Count Johnathan
Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:55 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Height and weight of SCA fighters.
Replies: 317
Views: 7134

Donal Mac Ruiseart wrote:My SCA rank has nothing to do with prowess at arms.


Understood just thought it would be interesting for the data trend.

I think I fight better than my title suggests and I know a lot of good fighters with no titles so I understand where you're coming from. It's all good.
by Count Johnathan
Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:33 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Height and weight of SCA fighters.
Replies: 317
Views: 7134

6'0", 224 this Monday. Trying to get back down to 210. I fight rattan, mostly S&S. Trying to do more great weapons. I have noticed that at work everyone treats me like the big guy. Those who are taller are usually skinnier. Within the SCA I'm barely size medium instead of XL. I'm a numbers...
by Count Johnathan
Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:43 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Height and weight of SCA fighters.
Replies: 317
Views: 7134

Height and weight of SCA fighters.

Was just wondering

How tall are you and how much do you weigh?

Edit to add: Age and titles?

What is your primary fighting style? Rattan, CA, Rapier?

I am 5' 11" 218lbs
I fight rattan.

Age 34 KSCA, Count , Viscount
by Count Johnathan
Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:31 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Attempting to use the stuff
Replies: 76
Views: 1735

Re: Attempting to use the stuff

I've been studying period techniques and manuals for some time now, and have been for the past half year trying to use this in the SCA for baton combat. Now, I've had some success, and some failure. It has been HARD to stick with it and not fall back on typical SCA techniques when losing some bouts...

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