The Armour Archive

Count Johnathan

So you don't know then. OK.

Think about it and get back to us later when you can rationalize replying negatively towards positive statements.

Count Johnathan

I don't mind that people don't like CA, not everyone is going to like every aspect of our game. There are a lot of people that don't like fencing, and don't think IT belongs in the SCA. I disagree with them, and keep on fencing, but I respect their opinion. I respect the opinions of those who don't...

Count Johnathan

I really appreciate the opportunity to do CA at a "war" event. (when I can make it) I stopped helping the King in Wars where I was in the shield wall. I was either spear meat or got so confused in the scrum I became a Rhino. Now I am old and gray. I can stand back and at least distract th...

Count Johnathan

And which side do you think I would be fighting on? Do you think that would mean it was a tactical decision?

Count Johnathan

Nobody implied that intentionally breaking spears is ok. I've read every post in this thread. Did you? You agree that it is difficult to determine intent but you disagree that intentional spear breaking rarely happens. Odd but ok. I'll ask. How do you know? Not sure why you've decided to try to get ...

Count Johnathan

Dude I sit out CA battles. Why? Because I do not like CA. It's not a tactical choice.

Count Johnathan

That's kind of funny since nobody here has suggested that intentional spear breaking is ok. What we have suggested is that there is no way to determine intent really and that getting in somebodies face or going after their auth card via the marshalate over a broken weapon that we know will break at ...

Count Johnathan

Stop all you big meanys those 25 poor picked on little CAers deserve to shoot at us for their targets cause they are being medieval. Unsafe, Unfair, Unchivalrous Balin Aten 101 Fighters not Targets Okay, all these fixes for CA are great. Now does anyone have a fix for attitudes like this? Nope. The...

Count Johnathan

Implement the fixes. Make CA ammo meet the guidelines of all other weapons. No, there will never be a time when shooting somebody holding a sword from 30 feet away is chivalrous. Sorry.

Count Johnathan

Whack 'em, you're engaged and your opponent knows it.

Count Johnathan

I don't disagree Logan I was just pointing out that archery indeed had a place in medieval battle and so if people insist that we do war and therefore CA then I must admit that in war archery was valued by military leaders. Blow calibration doesn't enter into it IMO because it is a game and we omit ...

Count Johnathan

I actually agree with you Maeryk that archery was indeed effective and used for thousands of years all the way up through the 16th century on the battlefield. It was not like the super destructive missiles used in the SCA where a properly oriented strike was a guaranteed kill but it was still effect...

Count Johnathan

The entire reason for the armor "standard" of maille is specifically so that somebody wearing a better more expensive suit of armor doesn't get an advantage over those who wear less.

Your opinion on the matter completely ignores the entire premise of that fairness standard.

Count Johnathan

If you get hit by an arrow, take it. It doesn't need to be as hard as other blows because it's never going to be. If we are going to be ok with using bows we must be willing to accept this. If there are that many people that don't want to accept body blows from arrows that's fine too, make it face o...

Count Johnathan

I broke your spear intentionally you just didn't know it.

Count Johnathan

I don't think it would have as much of an impact as you suggest and it's honestly just a rule devised to let people ignore blows. If we are going to make rules that selectively let people ignore blows that is additionally problematic and we should just not use the weapon if it comes down to that. T...

Count Johnathan

Respectfully, that doesn't actually go against my statement, Sir. True, as you have stated, the current ruleset is exactly that. But if we're talking about a "Plate is Proof" rule, specifically in reference to CA, then it doesn't diminish the current ruleset. It makes CA a feat of skill, ...

Count Johnathan

LOL @ Balin

Count Johnathan

Is it really conflating when you are talking about one standard for melee weapons, and another for ranged weapons? After all, are there not shoulder and hips blows for great weapons? How confusing is it for a fighter to have this scenario? FffffTHUNK. "No good; on the breastplate." If it ...

Count Johnathan

Then don't take that bow onto the field. If it's too precious and fragile for the rigors of combat leave it at camp.

Count Johnathan

T&B ammo only, head and body targeting only, 10 arrows per archer only, try not to be a jerk. Let the archers carry a backup weapon and archers, don't shoot people in the back and don't cry if your bow gets hit.

All problems solved IMO.

Count Johnathan

Diglach mac Cein wrote:Actually you can, as the rules allow Kingdoms to make rules Kingdom only that are MORE restrictive than Society minimums.

I suggest that allowing people to ignore blows based on their actual armor would be less stringent not more restrictive.

Count Johnathan

I agree but we can't have a rule that says... fighters are presumed to be wearing a chain hauberk over a padded gambeson, with boiled leather arm and leg defenses and an open-faced iron helm with a nasal. The helm may be presumed by Kingdom convention to include a very light chain mail drape, permit...

Count Johnathan

Either we make it make sense or we don't. I'm not excited about exchanging one silly concept for another.

Count Johnathan

maille wouldn't be proof (bodkins) and nobody is supposed to be wearing plate.

Count Johnathan

Slow and steady wins the race brother. You can't take care of anyone if you don't take care of yourself first!

Count Johnathan

'playing through' OK, how do you know their INTENT, since you feel all CA is out to ruin peoples' fun? (Which is more what I meant - but I won't edit my above post, wouldn't be right) . Because they intentionally choose to bring such a weapon to the field. But this topic isn't about the deliberate ...

Count Johnathan

Diglach mac Cein wrote:How do you know combat archers are unchivalrous?

Because they are shooting at me.

Count Johnathan

Well, one situation could be when the other person admits it. Fighter A: "Are you trying to break my spear?" Fighter B: "Yes, yes I am." Regards Avery Well if that were the case you wouldn't need to determine intent and it would be an easy fix to explain to the noob that breakin...

Count Johnathan

Diglach mac Cein wrote:OK, so if the rule isn't in use, why are we complaining about it???

"Darn, I HATE those freon tank helms!"

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I wasn't. You asked about the rule so I explained that the rules have been subject to change over the years. If you didn't want to know about it don't ask.

Count Johnathan

And how would you know the difference Diglach?

Please explain to me how it would be possible for you to determine intent.

Count Johnathan

The issue is trying to determine intent. Someone yanking on your spear is quite common. If there is a wall in the way and it breaks who is to say that it was broken intentionally? If someone is doing something repeatedly that ends up in a known outcome such as multiple spears broken in the same mann...

Count Johnathan

I don't think so. Not anymore anyway.

Count Johnathan

Nah, BS would be a better description.

Count Johnathan

I quite agree but spears do break. If I hit one with my sword in an attempt to knock it off course when someone throws a blow at a spearman I am defending (or defending myself) and it happens to break, a conversation such as this opens the door for people to try to sanction someone over an unintende...

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