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- Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:12 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: A doublet of white linen
- Replies: 37
- Views: 1972
Re: A doublet of white linen
The facing and interfacing of the body are basted together, and the seam at the waist back-stitched together in the facing + interfacting and in the lining. I also cut the slits for the gores in all three layers of the upper arm. I discovered that I had forgotten to write down one of the problems wi...
- Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:01 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: A doublet of white linen
- Replies: 37
- Views: 1972
Re: A doublet of white linen
This account does not list everything needed for a garment, or list it in one place, but it is still interesting. Item pur ij alnes de lynge toille per j doublet per daunsyng, pris l'alne viij d. ob. ... xvij d. Item pur ij alnes de lynge toille pur lynure del dit doublet pris l'alne xj d., ... xxij...
- Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:39 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: "A poor man’s armour?..."
- Replies: 28
- Views: 1219
Re: "A poor man’s armour?..."
Thanks! The book is only 30 GPB and here is its table of contents: Foreword - Quita Mould Warm and Dry: a complete Roman tent from Vindolanda - Carol van Driel-Murray A Romano-Egyptian cuirass and helmet made from crocodile skin: conservation and context - Barbara Wills Changing styles of Anglo-Saxo...
- Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:41 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: A doublet of white linen
- Replies: 37
- Views: 1972
Re: A doublet of white linen
Cutting is done! (Except for the pair of slits in each upper arm ... I want to make sure I don't accidentally create two 'righties'). https://bookandsword.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/p1000055_second_doublet_pieces_on_table_shrunk-e1498934719233.jpg The pattern is a fourth-generation descendant of Ta...
- Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:48 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: A doublet of white linen
- Replies: 37
- Views: 1972
Re: A doublet of white linen
Cut most of the facing but am still figuring out the best way to lay out the upper and lower arms on the width of linen which I have. I have new thoughts on the separate cuffs of the Charles de Blois. Its not too uncommon to see cuffs folded back in this period while the rest of the sleeve remains t...
- Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:50 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 396
Re: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
Bert Sandahl, Middle English Sea Terms I. The Ship's Hull. Essays and Studies on English Language and Literature VIII. Upsala: A-B. Lundequistska Bokhandeln, 1951. pp. 151-152 "In the earliest quotations (1233-4 to 1358-9) rivet designates the burr or rove over which a nail is clenched, and the 'cla...
- Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:26 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: A doublet of white linen
- Replies: 37
- Views: 1972
A doublet of white linen
My aketon in blue fustian is done, but the temperatures have reached 33 degrees in Innsbruck, and I want something lighter for everyday wear. This also lets me test improvements to the pattern which I used for the aketon in blue fustian. If I like the features of this one, I can incorporate them int...
- Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:36 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: 1380's French Arm Armor
- Replies: 2
- Views: 214
Re: 1380's French Arm Armor
Once you know what kind of soldier from what station you want to represent, a good strategy is to look for laws and contracts specifying minimum equipment. That will pretty quickly tell you whether a gen d'armes has to wear bracers, and whether a haubergeon needs a pair of plates in addition to the ...
- Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:55 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: First bascinet build, lessons ive learned, advice welcome
- Replies: 16
- Views: 731
Re: First bascinet build, lessons ive learned, advice welcom
Hey LeoVIIIIV,
I just wanted to say that we need more threads like this. Research is good, but research plus craftsmanship are better.
Maybe I will start a thread on my second doublet.
I just wanted to say that we need more threads like this. Research is good, but research plus craftsmanship are better.
Maybe I will start a thread on my second doublet.
- Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:28 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: 1380's French Arm Armor
- Replies: 2
- Views: 214
Re: 1380's French Arm Armor
Hi All - I'm commissioning a new kit to correspond with a 1380's French impression. We see two options in manuscripts for arm harness in this period - LONG closed rerebraces, or long sleeved jupons. Do we believe that the full arm harness was worn beneath the jupon? What form do we think the rerebr...
- Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:55 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 396
Re: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
Hi Oliver, I don't know what it means in either of those 15th century passages. In shipbuilding I would expect the rivets and roves to be kinds of washers, based on what I know about earlier periods (15th century shipbuilding may have been different). It would help if we had another definition of cn...
- Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:16 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Angular Aventails of Lames
- Replies: 5
- Views: 293
Re: Angular Aventails of Lames
The only other thing like it which I have seen is in the Sommerhaus at Runkelstein, and we get a side view there. I can't be arsed to spend time I will never get back degrading it 95% for embedding, but here is a photo.
- Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:44 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Aventail Rondels
- Replies: 18
- Views: 570
Re: Aventail Rondels
Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding.James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:I was not offering the Gruenewald as an example of a rondel laced to an aventail, but rather as the possible source of our recollection of having seen something like that. It is indeed attached by a stalk like an Italian armet.
- Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:42 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Angular Aventails of Lames
- Replies: 5
- Views: 293
Angular Aventails of Lames
We all know aventails of mail and aventails of scales. Toby talks about aventails of lames shaped like an aventail of mail in his book. But in the 'weird angular shapes' phase of south German armour fashion, the same which gave us Kastenbruste and helmets with rondels all over them, we got this: htt...
- Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:08 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Aventail Rondels
- Replies: 18
- Views: 570
Re: Aventail Rondels
It looks like a rondel-on-a-stalk to me. There are a fair number of bascinets in paintings from around 1500, often on sleeping guards and soldiers at martyrdoms and so on ... I suspect that this was the last period that they saw much use before they were too rusted out for even poor men to wear. May...
- Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:26 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Aventail Rondels
- Replies: 18
- Views: 570
Re: Aventail Rondels
I may be mistaken (and welcome the opportunity to be shown my error) but I have ever seen a rondel on the back of the neck anywhere but in BOTN. Now... that said, rondels were used in a lot of unexpected locations around the body, and putting one on the back of the neck is not outside the spirit of...
- Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:48 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Aventail Rondels
- Replies: 18
- Views: 570
Re: Aventail Rondels
Yes, and I am almost sure that there is a Manuscript Miniatures tag for it. You can find that tag as easily as I can.
- Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:17 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 396
Re: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
I am waiting for a book on Middle English Sea Terms, Volume 1: The Hull which may shed light on the history of this term.
- Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:06 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Wool for a Brigandine
- Replies: 6
- Views: 435
Re: Wool for a Brigandine
For what it's worth- if you do go with hemp or linen, very generally speaking, colored hemp/linen tend to be pretty unusual for outerwear (lots of evidence for colored linen linings and interlinings in clothes) in what the SCA would consider "late period." I don't know if that's true for earlier st...
- Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:47 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 396
Re: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
You just love upsetting us with things like this, don't you, Sean? :lol: Doesn't every Lovecraftian story, like life in 2017, require a visit to the guy in the asylum/down at the docks who is eager to tell you just what will happen when you read that book/explore that house/investigate your family ...
- Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:50 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 120838
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
There is a photo of an eyelet from the Lengberg finds at 6:20 of the a talk by Beatrice Nutz and co. at a conference called NESAT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGg8xbU ... ture=youtu.
It definitely does not have a 'rim' in the stitching, just 'spokes.'
It definitely does not have a 'rim' in the stitching, just 'spokes.'
- Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:01 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 396
When did a rivet become a kind of nail?
For the last hundred years, a rivet is a kind of short nail meant to be peened or bent over on the back of the material it is driven through. But early on it seems to be what we call a washer : a small piece of metal to keep either the head or the peened end from breaking through or damaging the mat...
- Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:49 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Wool for a Brigandine
- Replies: 6
- Views: 435
Re: Wool for a Brigandine
Another possibility would be facing it in cotton velveteen/ Baumwollesamt . That is relatively widely available in a range of colours, and could represent the kinds of fustian with a napped and sheared finish. The expensive kinds often have a gold thread in the selvages. The lining (between the faci...
- Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:19 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Wool for a Brigandine
- Replies: 6
- Views: 435
Re: Wool for a Brigandine
Wulfric, in documents and surviving pieces they seem to prefer to cover armour with linen, hemp, or silk (or leather!) There is one fragment of a jack of plates with a wool facing from Scotland, and I have read about caps of iron covered with wool in documents, but usually brigandines and coats of p...
- Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:38 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Goll's Thesis Topic #5: Duplicate entries
- Replies: 11
- Views: 449
Re: Goll's Thesis Topic #5: Duplicate entries
Goll's Thesis while a great boon for the images has caused us some issues. It is difficult to understand how some of the errors/mistakes happened. Usually when you are writing a PhD thesis you get to a point where you have to finish, even if that means making some parts 'good enough' or cutting the...
- Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:23 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: New Jessica Finley article on the Lübeck Jacks
- Replies: 0
- Views: 188
- Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:16 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Original finish on armour
- Replies: 16
- Views: 629
Re: Original finish on armour
I recently added a new piece to my collection. It was part of something else and I didn't have a good idea of condition when I made the purchase, but now I have it in my hands and have taken some pictures. It feels to me like it may have a relatively un-messed-with finish. The piece in question is ...
- Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:24 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: War-garments of the late 15th century? Are there any?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 322
Re: War-garments of the late 15th century? Are there any?
Have you thought of dressing like a Scot with a long-sleeved jack "made sa lang as to covir the ovir parte of thare leg harnes" (Acts of the Parliament of Scotland, 1481/04/05)? The stuffing could be kydex or aluminum instead of steel, and you could hide a modern bracer inside the sleeves. http://fo...
- Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:15 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: War-garments of the late 15th century? Are there any?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 322
Re: War-garments of the late 15th century? Are there any?
Do you want to look like a mostly-unarmoured soldier (with armour hidden under everyday clothing) or like a man in full harness (with the modern shapes and materials hidden under overgarments)? People who know that period will have different answers. And Scotland will have different possibilities th...
- Fri May 26, 2017 5:59 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: What do you think about laser-cut visors?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 1256
Re: What do you think about laser-cut visors?
You could also look at openwork decoration on 14th century shoes. The front part of a shoe is kind of 'flat visor shaped' and in both cases the patterns are made by cutting through the material.
- Fri May 26, 2017 5:34 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: The Palazzo Ducale bascinet.
- Replies: 766
- Views: 21413
Re: The Palazzo Ducale bascinet.
I just came across this St George I was struck by how much the shape of the mail?? matches the Venice bascinet Reiterstatuette des Heiligen Georg Standort:Wangen (Bozen), Kirche Sankt Georg Datierung:1386/1400 Sachbegriff:Reiterstatue Google Maps seems to think that is a village church on the west ...
- Tue May 23, 2017 3:46 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: LindyBeige on his Indian mail-and-plates
- Replies: 7
- Views: 523
Re: LindyBeige on his Indian mail-and-plates
Try looking at it with 13th century eyes instead of 15th century eyes, then look up how they fought in the rich parts of 17th century India.tiredWeasel wrote:For an european eye the upper breast and the shoulders look "exposed" while the back is armoured with plates right up to the neck.
- Sun May 21, 2017 11:25 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Late XIVth/Early XVth century Italian arm harness.
- Replies: 4
- Views: 208
Re: Late XIVth/Early XVth century Italian arm harness.
It could also be fun to look at paintings and try to spot the tournament armour. We sometimes accuse painters of sitting in the stands at tournaments and sketching battle scenes and questing heroes, so surely there should be paintings of some of this 'sports armour'?
- Sat May 20, 2017 8:49 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Late XIVth/Early XVth century Italian arm harness.
- Replies: 4
- Views: 208
Re: Late XIVth/Early XVth century Italian arm harness.
Hi Gustovic, I definitely think there is room for someone to go over the armour from Chalkis and the other big Aegean find again. As far as I can tell, there has not been a lot of work done on it since the early reports and its scattering into different collections. There is that one book on one of ...
- Fri May 19, 2017 4:52 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Laying Out Hosen
- Replies: 15
- Views: 633
Re: Laying Out Hosen
Johann Hill seems to have approved of them: First hym nedeth to have a paire of hosen of corde wtoute vampeys And the saide hosen kutte at ye knees and lyned wtin wt Lynnen cloth byesse as the hose is https://willscommonplacebook.blogspot.co.at/2008/12/treatise-of-worship-in-arms-by-johan.html One t...
