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Gustovic

Perhaps something like this?

What is weird to me is that they can have an aventail and a visor. Which I often correlate to upper class warriors. Or am I wrong?

Gustovic

Yea, sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to heavy duty forging. Like making blades, tools, drawing material. cutting hot, etc... For precision and cold work the universal stance seems to be sitting. The earliest image of standing upright while forging I found is from 1023. http:...

Gustovic

Hi all. For some time I had this question buzzing in my head. Why does it seem that only in Europe there has been developed a blacksmithing tradition of working standing up? While it seems more common in the rest of the world (Africa, India, Japan) to work sitting on the floor. Do we have any other ...

Gustovic

Wish you luck man!

Buona fortuna.

Gustovic

Edited with short description and better pictures.

Gustovic

The visor sucks and it's temporary, but it gives an idea what I'm after. Bascinet Wight: 3.75 Kg Ear to Ear Distance: 17.5 cm Material: Mild Steel Thickness: 3 mm (Skull), 2 mm (Visor) Technique: forging, punching, filing, chiseling Both skull and visor are forged from a single plate of steel, only ...

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I'm rushing the visor a little bit, due to school deadlines.

So I think I'll go for this one right now. I'll definitely make a better version in the future.

Gustovic

Still at the early stages (pretty ugly, I know), but the pivots work and my chin doesn't touch the visor.

Gustovic

Germany this time. Again, this chart is partly incomplete (and badly executed), but I think it's a valid starting point for discussion. http://i.imgur.com/e8fHSfi.jpg I) http://effigiesandbrasses.com/3033/3149/ http://effigiesandbrasses.com/1282/19886/ II) http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4835/13663/...

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I guess that would be true if it was consistent throughout the accounts, but cuisses, poleyns and greaves are mentioned nearly always. That's why I find it strange that in a "complete armour" plate leg defense is not mentioned (but maille is). Perhaps maille chausses were deemed enough, protection-w...

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From page 68 "Other knights and ship’s masters were given a full set of armour, as noted above under mail. These sets are called ‘complete armours’ (hernesia integra) in Mildenhall’s account, such a complete armour comprising a helm, bacinet and aventail, pisane, pairs of plates, rerebraces, vambrac...

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Richardson in his studies of the Tower of London inventories also mentions that a "complete armour" in the XIVth century wasn't in fact complete. Some missed greaves, others missed vambraces. I guess they had a different concept of what complete was supposed to look like.

Gustovic

I remember saving this miniature quite a few years ago, I think from MyArmoury.

Does anyone recognize it?

Thanks.

Gustovic

Sean M wrote: Shoulder-pieces with a fringe of feathers (Greek pteryges) do appear in the Grandes Chroniques de France alongside many things which I see in documents of the same period. The feathers are usually interpreted as scales.

Any picture?

Gustovic

Yea, I have to admit, I've been trying to avoid "alla romana" armour as long as I could :P. Pteruges do pop up every now and then in manuscripts that depict fairly accurate armour, but nearly always in mythological/biblical contexts. That's why I've always been skeptical. http://i.imgur.com/2ZjubZd....

Gustovic

Small update.

The owner wants to sell it, and keeps confirming that he excavated him himself and it's authentic.

Here's his e-mail address. darko.lajesic@gmail.com

Gustovic

The difference from XII to XXII are the straps, and the extra maille layer from the pizane(?) and the small rounded shoulder protection as seen in the effigy of Raimondino Lupi.

And yes, I guess the arm harness in the statues you linked (which I hadn't access to before now) could go under type XVIII.

Gustovic

I don't know, I always dismissed them as fantasy or "alla romana", in roman style.

But if someone come up with convincing examples I might change my idea.

Gustovic

Oh my god I'm an idiot, sorry. Edited.

Also, the nameless statue belongs to Raimondino Lupi, died in Padova in 1379.

The effigy is in the Oratorio di San Giorgio, Padova.

Gustovic

The visor sucks, but it was very helpful to test how one should work and which shapes it should have.
I'll make another one, deeper and with the ocularia sitting higher up.

Gustovic

I was going by handles because its bad manners to out people on a forum even if you know other names that they go by. But the typology needs some name, so that people know what system the numbers refer to, and don't confuse them with Goll's typology, or one of Doug Strong's typologies, or one of th...

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Made the chart for the leg harness. Slightly incomplete, but perhaps good enough to give a general view. http://i.imgur.com/fLhrnp9.jpg I) http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4259/7889/ II) http://armourinart.com/169/255/ III) http://armourinart.com/169/255/ IV) http://effigiesandbrasses.com/847/4433/ V...

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I have to be honest, I don't know how much I like the sound of "Gustovic typology".

My real name is Augusto Boer Bront. If this thing develops properly I guess I'd prefer it to be called "Boer Bront typology". But I guess I cannot impose my will before the magnitude of the Internet

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I have to make an important point. These typologies don't follow any criteria. How I came up with them was just by looking through all the sources I have in chronological order and adding a new roman numeral whenever a new kind of protection appears. So if my original sources are limited or incomple...

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It looks like the edge of the brow is too low compared to the slit of the visor. It's close, but you can notice that they sit too close "horizontally" to work efficiently. Basically the wearer can't see that good things coming from above without tilting the whole head up.

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I) http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4259/7889/ II) http://armourinart.com/169/261/ III) http://effigiesandbrasses.com/846/3313/ http://effigiesandbrasses.com/2777/6000/ IV) http://effigiesandbrasses.com/2642/3310/ http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4056/11775/ V) http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4462/713...

Gustovic

Tomorrow or Saturday I'll sew the liner on. Then I'll pierce the ocularia and clean the visor up. If the plate is too long, I'll just chisel it out.

Gustovic

IT LIVES!!! (kinda)

Gustovic

Doug Strong's work is important and it actually was partly the reason why I wanted to study armour more and more in detail. But visual aid I think it's better than just descriptions. And also I'm unaware of an analysis of Italian armour in artwork to this detail. I didn't take only from effigies, bu...

Gustovic

Good day everyone. Inspired by the new book from Tobias Capwell, I decided to start collecting all the available information about the various forms of protections in Europe thought the XIVth century. I started by looking at all available art, including miniatures, effigies and frescoes. I'll be upd...

Gustovic

Good evening everyone. I've got a question about this (relatively) discussed piece. As you can see, it's a pretty atypical piece. A nasal barbute with a very acute point and a hinged visor. From what I learned, this has been put together by the curators of the museum, as the barbute is mid-XVth cent...

Gustovic

I tried that today (great minds think alike! =) ), kinda failed. I'll try that tomorrow and see how it goes

Gustovic

I guess the pivots are to high now.

I'll make another one with the pivots placed lower.

Gustovic

Awesome, thanks for the comments!

I'll finish the visor first and then see what happens.

Gustovic

Will do!

Mac, do you think that the last vervelle on the right side of the is sitting too high? Should i remove it?

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