The Armour Archive

Vladimir

Thomas MacFinn wrote:Vlad, are you ridiculing shinyhalo or Oswyn? I happen to agree with Oswyn.

Huh? I'm ridiculing the people he is talking about.

Otherwise we have rules lawyers arguing that the guage wouldn't take into account the relative thickness, that they are still within the rules, etc.

Vladimir

I propose a new rule for SCA weapons and armour. If the first 3 people who do not know you declare you to be a rules lawyering bitch when trying to pass weapons or armour then you are subject to public ridicule for the remainder of the event, and must compete in the "helm of shame." http:/...

Vladimir

My point is that anything that stabs you also cuts you.

Grant you, I have not yet looked up the awl pike.

A puncture wound is a deep narrow cut.

These?
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/files/ahlspiess_130.jpg

They do cut you, from the look of them they would make a cut about one inch wide and 2 feet deep. A stab wound is a type of cut.

Vladimir

"Swords" similar to that have been used in the historic combat series. But we could not use the quillions.

Only the first 12-18 inches or so had an "edge". So we could legally half sword and the pommel was constructed as a thrusting tip.

Vladimir

Then please, find me one object, one object in the world, that is designed to pierce your flesh and stab into you without cutting you.

I'm not proposing a change in the rules. I'm simply saying that it is a cheap way to get around the rule when the end result is exactly the same weapon.

Vladimir

I'm pretty sure that the rule was intended to prevent weapons from having swung striking surfaces on both ends. I don't know that as fact, but that is probably the intent. Technically our weapons don't have a stabbing or cutting surface anywhere on them at all (if they are constructed properly). So ...

Vladimir

That design does pass at pennsic.

Mine is made the same way, but my overlapped section is much shorter and is not marked as a striking surface.

Vladimir

JMcBrayer wrote:I believe by counting them as stabbing rather than as cutting or smashing, but I'm not sure.

Something that stabs you still cuts you. It is just a narrow deep cut instead of a long shallower cut. That is, unless you found something that stabs people without piercing the flesh.

Vladimir

What exactly does joining such a group entail?

When I lived in Norfolk I thought about checking out the local ARMA group. But I was told by a very reliable source that they did not respond well to SCA members attempting to join their ranks. So I never bothered.

Vladimir

Unfortunately Sir Corby's tutorial only seems to apply to heaters. If I use that technique and place my elbow at the exact center mass on a tear drop shield properly sized for me (which is 3/4 inch longer than byzantine regulations for standard shields) my hand ends up in empty space. Perhaps, I nee...

Vladimir

I've never had a weapon fail because it was over weight. Only once have I had a weapon actually weighed during inspection. It came in well under the max, but it looked scary. It was at pennsic, and my stuff was being inspected by a marshal who had never inspected anything other than a basket hilted ...

Vladimir

Ah, I misread it. I wanted to see a two handed seax.

Vladimir

snipped for brevity Ah-hah. You are defaulting to planed rattan sticks having had their impact faces planed flat as well. Other than Master Eirik selling them that way, I don't know where that assumption would come from. It needed to be specified Leaving out important elements of the equation leads ...

Vladimir

I worry about it. Its not the pain or damage that concerns me, but the financial cost of a doctor visit. I don't have insurance right now. I don't worry about one on one fights so much. I don't even worry about open fields. But I came dangerously close to having my knee bent backwards in a bridge ba...

Vladimir

So, how sharp does the edge of a piece of rattan need to be to cut skin with a standard SCA one handed shot.

What about cutting a cotton T-shirt?

What about a linen tunic?

On average, I know there are variables.

Vladimir

Very true, all corners should be rounded off.

As I said, I don't think it is the properly made ones that are causing the problem. I think it is the cheap imitations by people who don't think ahead on what they are building.

Vladimir

grr, lack of edit

This was supposed to go with my last post.

Vladimir

I don't understand what the confusion is. Perhaps I am not explaining it clearly enough. To make the math simpler all of this is calculated in the magical land my old college professor used to call Physics Land. In Physics Land round rattan is perfectly round, measurements are dead on, and shots lan...

Vladimir

Apparently a properly made shaped rattan is safer in almost all ways to a round stick of equal weight. Shaving the rattan increases its flexibility, provides a greater surface area striking the opponent thus distributing force more evenly, and does not penetrate a bargrill as far, even when taken do...

Vladimir

Grr, Hulk like orange paint.

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:

Vladimir

What I like about them is that they are short. Too often I see gauntlets that look like they were designed for an orangutan. Grant you, they do have to wrap around the outside of a closed hand. So I understand.

But it is terribly inconvenient for those of us with short fingers and broad hands.

Vladimir

I'm wonding if any of you use a jig or have any tips for holding bargrill pieces prior to welding.

He is not looking for an alternative to making a bar grill. Just a means of holding one together during construction.

Vladimir

Well done Hel.

Vladimir

For the record, I never said anything about a 5/8 inch wide striking surface. I said (not a direct quote) the striking surface should be flat or have a curvature equal to that of a 5/8 inch radius circle or be in between. A 1 1/4 inch piece of round rattan has a 5/8 inch radius, the striking surface...

Vladimir

Before we change the rules can we verify these blades are breaking the existing ones? I don't know anybody with a shaped sword that is a 1 1/4" square. A wider sword, cut into a true diamond cross section, would fail existing rules. We just need to get more gauges out there that can test this....

Vladimir

If you go with a stick interpretation of "diameter" that means weapons can only be round. The distance across a circle through its center point. Which means no axes or polearms that look like polearms. So long as the striking edge is at least 1 1/4", why not? I said strick, ie unreas...

Vladimir

But rules lawyering is exactly the problem right now. People have been making unsafe versions of weapons that technically fulfill the rules. A 91 degree corner on the striking edge of a rattan weapon that is 1.25 inches wide total is legit as written, and it should not be. But, banning those nice sh...

Vladimir

If you go with a stick interpretation of "diameter" that means weapons can only be round.

The distance across a circle through its center point.

Which means no axes or polearms that look like polearms.

Vladimir

Now how do you figure that? I believe that it is perfectly comprehensible that our rules currently require that the edge be a 1.25 radius - that's what the 1.25 minimum diameter means. A 1.25 radius would be a 2 1/2 inch piece of rattan. Stupid lack of an edit feature, Not 3/4 inch its 5/8 inch. A ...

Vladimir

I repeat, it is impossible to construct one that has no portions under 1.25 inches. Even 3 inch rattan has section that are under 1.25 inches. Your rule would have to specify that the cross section be drawn through the center of the rattan. Baron Erik's wasters still pass. As they should. They fulfi...

Vladimir

grr, no edit feature.

Said 91 degree edge would have to be rounded with sandpaper at least to be legal.

Vladimir

There is absolutely no way to make a rattan weapon where no part was under 1 1/4 inch. I don't see how it is physically possible. As previously stated, round rattan has sections approaching zero. Every part of a 1 1/4 inch piece of round stock on either side of the diameter is less than 1 1/4 inch. ...

Vladimir

I painted it on with a brush, not a spray.

Vladimir

I thought it was self evident as well. Also, I'm sure they were wearing minimums. I just wonder if they were wearing shirts. You're sure because you know the people involved and the specifics of their injuries, or you're sure because you are making an assumption without actual knowledge of facts? I...

Vladimir

I have no idea if it would work, I haven't used one since Jr. High back in....well a long time ago.

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