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Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

[quote="Swete" Very nice work. The speed with which you are putting it together is inspiring. I would like to ask about the above picture though. The clear substance around the stitching holes: is that a reenforcing glue or merely moisture being released from the hole punching? I am a complete newbi...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Oddvarr,
How are the lamed pturges in actual battle, do you have trouble with them moving as you move?

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Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Armour making day two. Credit where it is due, initial pattern cut and sewing by eirik thorkelson established leatherworker and overseer og my project. though it is his first armor too. First step today was to cut out the patterns. This was done carefully with a ban saw with a thick blade on it. I s...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

from what i've been told, is that metal transfers heat differently when in direct contact, this can cause scorching of the leather. I've also been told that a layer or two of newpaper mitigates this effect so you could still use the steel ones as forms. I'm sure if i am incorrect someone will speak ...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

When all is dry and dyed i will be sealing with a beeswake mineral oil rub my friend who is a leather worker uses.

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

I would think that the slight flexibility provides a level of protection in and of itself. Absorbs a bit of the blow itself. The leather i prodeced knocked like wood and would flex on only one axis but always returned to the same shape. Also it would allow a bit of flex when strapping the armor down...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

After some experimentation i must ask, will the end result of Bake hardened leather have any flexibility left to it or will it be stiff as wood?

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Get authorized Heavy Armor
Create my first set of armor
Have my first set of armor pass inspection.
Fight at Lilies war
Fight at Pennsic in both Heavy armor and light armor battles.
Not die at Pennsic from fighting in both rounds of battles

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Ok, so i'm embarking on my first project to build armor. This will be my armor for sca heavy armor purposes. My goal is to build a kit of armor that has historic basis as well as being in complete compliance with SCA requirements. I will be building Shovel Greaves Bazubands Lamellar cavalry torso us...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Konstantine,
Thanks for the tip, I'm not going for a perfect recreation unfortunately. But I am formatting my posts so that anyone could recreate these pieces from a cold start.

Daggrim,
I can still see the photo fine, i'm not sure about the issue.

Odd

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

I plan on posting my progress on this armor, where should i start the thread for it?

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Sorry for the confusion. I am looking for alternate padding material to put inside my rigid elbow and knee protection. Right now I am using basic knee and elbow pads.

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Mostly I'm asking for elbows and knees, bazuband and shovel greaves.

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Ok SCA types, I see everywhere talks of "equivalent" material for padding to replace closed cell foam. Can someone please let me know what some of these materials are? Is extra thickness of leather, or perhaps a certain thickness of cotton batting? Just more question. Always more questions...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

This argument also goes for leather basket hilts. If I was going to make a leather shield boss, I would take extra care to harden it, and I would check it for hardness periodically. It also wouldn;t be too hard to add a second layer of reinforcement to the inside or outside if it's a big deal. In f...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Bronze-age leather shield from Ireland http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=24741 That's Fascinating, it is a validation of hardened leather for its protective purpose. Several points though, this is bronze age and a bit before my time. It is Water hardened and wax sealed which ties in wit...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

What I can find in this time states that byzantine were likely still doing their thing with lamellar and chain and everyone else had moved on to padded armor over CoP and descendant styles. there did not seem to be much use of arms and legs in western europe other than gauntlets. Also if this is bei...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Daggrim, Thank you for the answers. It has been mentioned several times that the dye doesn't like to take on the hardened armor, and that a single coat can cause something like a wood grain pattern. For the edification of others i will test several pieces of hardened leather with one/two/three coats...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Count Johnathan, I do not disagree with you at all. I think perhaps i don't have the vocabulary yet to use the right words. I would say that the danger of fatigue comes from poor control and aim. When fresh an unblocked blow goes where you tell it to. When tired a shot to the thigh may become a shot...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Ogedei, No there is not an extant example that i can find. The reason i'm looking at it is that I will probably have enough material left over from making my leather kit that i could make one or two shield bosses from the leather. That aside a friend of mine wants to try doing a leather shield cover...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Mjaay, Do you know where it is in your technique that you have problems? If you do I recommend mirror practice as i would with all martial arts. If you don't I would say STOP, get someone to show you exactly where you need correction. It takes something like ten reps to unlearn every single rep you ...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Hi, Heavy rapier. What is this "Heavy Rapier" A heavy rapier is what they called real sword so that early fencer would let us play with them. Seriously though I'm not using the most up to date politically correct terms. Heavy Rapier= Unarmored steel combat Heavy Fighting = Armored rattan ...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Can you do 14th c.? It's ideal for this kind of thing. I could, by adding splints to arms and legs. I would need to do a bit more research but it shouldn't be too hard. My current kit is 13th century varangian. Lamellar with mail underneath, bazubands (for elbow coverage) shovel greeves (for knee c...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Hi, Here's the words of the new fighter who has been playing in the SCA for a while. I'm just starting heavy fighting, been doing heavy rapier for two years. The quote i've heard most often is "We want to kill our friends not hurt them; I want to kill them again tomorrow" My philosophy, Wh...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Very very interested. However i'm just now putting together my first set of armor, It is easily documentable to mid 13th century (thanks osprey books) and i'm currently trying to take on that extra 50 years. I hope it will serve double duty. Will exceptions be made for design based on armor covering...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Ok, if i may sum up what i've read to see if i have understood. Wax hardening (not period) 1. wet form leather and let dry. 2. melt wax/s of choice to just above their melting point. (155 for bees, and paraffin, 185 for carnauba, 170 for 1:5 ratio carnauba/beeswax) 3. immerse in wax till bubbles sto...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Swete wrote:
Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi wrote: Even in a one on one tourney one must account for the third opponent; Murphy

That is awesome! Mind if I borrow it? >.>

Sure thing.

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Daggrim, Thank you for the advice, you give me an idea. As i was wondering about the hardening of the leather on it's ability to form. Cariadoc's essay on water hardening says that the leather loses it's stretch and hardens within a few minutes after removing from he water. This makes sense if it is...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

I should note, that i am not contemplating the leather boss because i think it will be lighter, i'm contemplating it because i will have the material on hand to make it as well as the supplies to cut and form it in the same place that i will have the materials to make the shield. Also i do not belie...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Please forgive the question Brennain, are you a marshal and as a marshal saying you would down check such a shield, or are you saying that you simply think it is a bad idea/ have tried such an experiment and found it had failed?
Odd

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

So i am an SCA fighter aspirant. I am also about to come into a large amount of leather with which to play and practice. I was thinking of doing a leather facing for my round shield, (period). However i was thinking of making the boss out os 12oz hardened leather (not period). I'm wondering if it wo...

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

Vitus von Atzinger wrote:Dunk drop piece in boiling water- 1 second dunk.
After it dries rub wax on it, then bake it.
First harden then wax. The wax is a sealant against sweat, rain and dirt.

Vitus,
Why the one second dunk of water?

Oddbjorn_Mjolksiglandi

@Brenainn, Does the forming hold well even after saturating in the wax, or does it lose form? @Talmoor, I'm aware of the softening and melting in the sun, that why the specific mix of carnauba and beeswax, the melting point is about 170 F and it only begins softening around 155 F. I wish i had saved...

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