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- Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:16 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: New player in the Armour world - need some help
- Replies: 36
- Views: 785
Re: New player in the Armour world - need some help
Hey folks! So, I've ordered a significant amount of tools . . . I have an idea what I want my first project to look like, based off of what I've seen around, but I don't know what to call it, or what even any of the parts are called. I can't even describe what I'm looking for! I presume you're thin...
- Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:36 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: New player in the Armour world - need some help
- Replies: 36
- Views: 785
Re: New player in the Armour world - need some help
A perfect example of how little I know about the actual types of armor, then. I'll see if I can get in touch with Chuck. Thank you for the lead, and the suggestion on reading material. I'll get on it! Welcome and well come -- and we'll get you sorted, and help you get sorted, inside of six months! ...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:24 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: 16th Anglo Irish armour
- Replies: 27
- Views: 486
Re: 16th Anglo Irish armour
That pisane may be quilted cloth and not mail -- there are many examples of such cowls among the Tombs of the Kings at Iona Abbey. Highlands and Islands warriors often used quilted, long coats, hoods/cowls of the same construction and V-shaped seam lines, with a helmet on top being most of the metal...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:12 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Ugly Sallet
- Replies: 4
- Views: 539
Re: Ugly Sallet
Nope, those stages aren't "really bad." Just not finished yet. Yeah, I thought as much -- the museum piece would have had considerably more metal up front to make its concave part of the profile and the jutting lower edge of the sight. Hotworked helmets never really look good until they're almost do...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:02 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Bascinet liner question
- Replies: 3
- Views: 335
Re: Bascinet liner question
A leather suspension lining like yours -- it can be made in multilayer fabric too, to any specification -- well, all the suspension liners are a lot alike, simple to make and admirably airy in wear. They work on the same principle as the webbing inside a hardhat. Suspension linings are basically of ...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:43 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Bascinet liner question
- Replies: 3
- Views: 335
Re: Bascinet liner question
The camail liner is indeed an extension of the inner liner. So the entire affair would look like a high Middle Ages hood, only quilted. For a bascinet, the hood is sewn into place through 3/64"-1/16" holes drilled in the helmet (a Dremel is very good) along its bottom edge, up the sides of the face,...
- Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:08 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Introduction and High Medieval mail project
- Replies: 113
- Views: 5542
Re: Introduction and High Medieval mail project
Welcome and well come! I wonder if a sharper piercing drift might help with that deformation you were getting? Your setting pliers actually seem quite reasonably accurate. Period art shows use of something long-rein, and often a small hammer too, which we suspect was used on the pliers to completely...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:41 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing / Raising Question
- Replies: 95
- Views: 1580
Re: Dishing / Raising Question
Well, you'll get there. After you build a breast and back for the pauldron to play with and sit tidily on, I guess! -- they say that's what's needed to fit them well; do you like fifteenth century? Also the making of the large, shallowish curvatures for the breast and back will translate directly in...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:19 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: my google fu has failed me
- Replies: 20
- Views: 295
Re: my google fu has failed me
If it tarnishes bluish-black, likely it was silver.
Aluminum wire can deposit a black grunge that isn't part of the wire chemistry but is a leftover from drawing the wire. Only gets cleaned off to a certain degree before they ship it.
Aluminum wire can deposit a black grunge that isn't part of the wire chemistry but is a leftover from drawing the wire. Only gets cleaned off to a certain degree before they ship it.
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:12 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Schloss Ambras Detail: Rivets on tassets of lames
- Replies: 8
- Views: 339
Re: Schloss Ambras Detail: Rivets on tassets of lames
That would be what the rivets close to the margin at the bottom end would do. The ones a bit higher up look to be for the interior suspension leathers, fixing down their bottom ends. Such rivets would necessarily be exposed on that bottom lame, and hence are likely to be visible, so show 'em off and...
- Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:01 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Ugly Sallet
- Replies: 4
- Views: 539
Re: Ugly Sallet
For a salvage-project with a not too protuberant brim (generally a plus in SCA helmets) it looks well enough like a munition-grade sallet. Think you could yet even out the sight any? Observe the bottom edge of the starboard side of the sight. A bit of wary work with a bastard-cut file might true it ...
- Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:50 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing / Raising Question
- Replies: 95
- Views: 1580
Re: Dishing / Raising Question
So which of the following would I have the most success with for my 3rd project (already made some gauntlets and vambraces): Pauldrons Bevor Floating Elbow Cop Cops is cops until you get around to putting in creases or flutes. Getting good at anything cop-shaped will be useful to you immediately: k...
- Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:42 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Domed rivets? Or flared? )SCA-specific)
- Replies: 17
- Views: 405
Re: Domed rivets? Or flared? )SCA-specific)
Got a link for the riveting tool? :D I'd like a look at this prodigy myself. And to find out what R-W calls the thing. 3/16" dia rivets in SCA use I am sure had their beginnings in "well, that looks about right" engineering. The SCA helmet reg just assumes 3/16 is what the reader will use -- and th...
- Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:13 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Refurbishing a Brigandine
- Replies: 5
- Views: 309
Re: Refurbishing a Brigandine
Consensus around here for brigs is three layers -- two of canvas, for all the durability you could expect, and a third of something prettier for the outer, public shell.
- Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:09 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Shocktec, Unequal & Sorbothane
- Replies: 14
- Views: 565
Re: Shocktec, Unequal & Sorbothane
Whew! (fans self, with air of relief)boris_ wrote:Don't worry, that will be in there as wellKonstantin the Red wrote:Why in hell you're not stuffing your helms with linen I don't know.
I guess that poor cat is sleeping naked now.
- Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:07 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing / Raising Question
- Replies: 95
- Views: 1580
Re: Dishing / Raising Question
What is the practical reason for not making the cuirass and bevor / gorget all of a single piece, or just riveting them together? Does the gorget / bevor turn left and right with your head? For the tiltyard, such a piece of equipment would be fine. The whole concept had been replaced, by then, with...
- Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:55 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing / Raising Question
- Replies: 95
- Views: 1580
Re: Dishing / Raising Question
The family tree of gorgets shows three general types. 1. The non-articulated gorget. An all-round one may hinge open and closed; that's it. A gorget that is only the front half will be held on, say with a strap around the back of the neck. 2. The articulated gorget is a series of nesting lames risin...
- Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:09 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing / Raising Question
- Replies: 95
- Views: 1580
Re: Dishing / Raising Question
Get yourself a split-head. It's a good investment; you'll wonder how you ever did without.
- Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:58 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Shocktec, Unequal & Sorbothane
- Replies: 14
- Views: 565
Re: Shocktec, Unequal & Sorbothane
Why in hell you're not stuffing your helms with linen I don't know.
- Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:51 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing / Raising Question
- Replies: 95
- Views: 1580
Re: Dishing / Raising Question
And that won't be for years yet. They work just as well all chewed up. If you are feeling do-it-yourselfish, you can scour eBay for older models from Garland or Chicago. Cleanup, new handle, new faces malleted into place, and you'd be good to go, at perhaps less money if you can score an eBay deal o...
- Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:06 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Compound hinge visor?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 363
Re: Compound hinge visor?
Bent-arm visor hinges are known. They show up invariably on "droop snout/bag nose" basc visors, with the end of the arms given a little decorative treatment like something in wrought iron. I've never heard of anybody showing what this detail did; it's poorly understood even if readily seen, and nobo...
- Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:57 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Chain mail Skirt?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 379
Re: Chain mail Skirt?
Is there any historical source for a split chain skirt suspended from a belt? Why split completely? Usually they seemed to work by having a V-shaped notch to their top edge, and being of a conical flared shape. You stepped into them like a pair of shorts, pulled them up, and closed the notch with a...
- Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:49 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Anyone using machine made micro mail for voiders?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 380
Re: Anyone using machine made micro mail for voiders?
What the stuff looks like from a little way off is like silvery gray fabric, owing to its fineness and round wire.
- Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:41 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing / Raising Question
- Replies: 95
- Views: 1580
Re: Dishing / Raising Question
So, to clarify, your saying such extreme "dishing" is done by machines and it would be too hard to do by hand? To clarify, for this process in cold metal you need an entire factory -- smallish, but an entire factory. You are describing tool and die work, deep drawing in multiple steps with a series...
- Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:41 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tips or trick on the can bascinet construction method?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 420
Re: Tips or trick on the can bascinet construction method?
Oh, you don't leave that pipe cap round in any case -- you form it into an oval. Apparently this can be done cold. I believe it was poster Halberds who offered barrelhelm kits with the modified pipe cap as the entire top cap.
- Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:36 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tips or trick on the can bascinet construction method?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 420
Re: Tips or trick on the can bascinet construction method?
You can take a "weldable pipe cap" of suitable diameter for the top of the can, and you can hotwork that to modify it however you want. I suppose they have those in Ukraine; they are fairly easy to get in this part of California, which is the oil patch -- lots of pipes. They are shaped like mushroom...
- Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:19 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Gorget preference?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 400
Re: Gorget preference?
Yes; it becomes a two-component defense, in depth: the camail saps the blow energy by putting drag upon it and the hard gorget is the final stopper. Decelerates, and spreads the hit out extensively in time.
- Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:15 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Where to get a helmet plume
- Replies: 9
- Views: 192
Re: Where to get a helmet plum
Oh, I was guessing pomme.
- Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:14 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Drawing the Perfect Heater Curve
- Replies: 17
- Views: 477
Re: Drawing the Perfect Heater Curve
I think L Ruler = Carpenters' Square.
- Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:59 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Rivets for Splinted Greaves and Vambraces
- Replies: 3
- Views: 216
Re: Rivets for Splinted Greaves and Vambraces
Copper rivets are very strong; they could only be beaten by steel. If *ever* you have a concern about the strength of rivets -- solid rivets that is -- just plan to use rather more of them. Small, thin rivets -- use a lot of these, rather than the moderate number you'd use of something larger. Ratta...
- Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:51 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Bazubands and spear
- Replies: 6
- Views: 250
Re: Bazubands and spear
Owie. Yes, for you the smallest elbow cop, articulating a bit, becomes the better solution. Tendinitis hates aggravation.
- Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:48 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Introducing Myself + Pics of Completed Armor Projects
- Replies: 19
- Views: 1103
Re: Introducing Myself + Pics of Completed Armor Projects
If you designed it to fit around the musculature of your forearm, yeah, that's a normal shape for a vamb. Hinged vambs usually fit the arm like a thick coat of paint -- as, also, the greaves.
Welcome and well come.
Welcome and well come.
- Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:13 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Making some splint arms - what weight leather?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 360
Re: Making some splint arms - what weight leather?
In that case, curve.
Curved, or creased, has the same effect.
Curved, or creased, has the same effect.
- Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:29 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Vervelles, how they were made?
- Replies: 81
- Views: 1567
Re: Vervelles, how they were made?
What do you think, Gustovic: a wedge-actuated vise? Screw actuated, w/a sort of dogging wrench for it there on the bench? It's that thing with the diamond-shaped eye,
http://www.nuernberger-hausbuecher.de/7 ... -4-r/large
http://www.nuernberger-hausbuecher.de/7 ... -4-r/large
- Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:12 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Gorget preference?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 400
Re: Gorget preference?
Yep, lining under that camail -- very lightly padded -- ought to give it just the look we see on monumental effigies & brasses.
Who made your bascinet?
Who made your bascinet?
