Just a comment that doesn't matter.
That is a really nice breastplate. It is certainly a high-end version of itself and James is probably right in attribution.
I like its form. Just what it should be.
Maybe someday I will get back to Munich and will be able to see it.
Wade
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- Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:50 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Can some one ID this breast plate?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 457
- Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:16 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Arm gussets on 15th century breast plates - construction?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 416
- Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:42 pm
- Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
- Topic: WTB Spring Steel sheets
- Replies: 11
- Views: 324
- Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:44 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Black and White Armour Question
- Replies: 6
- Views: 395
Oh, come on. Adding that band down the middle just makes the whole thing so much harder and almost no one will appreciate the work you did to do it. So why not add it? People have played with several of them. He was one of them. I usually find that I forget things over time. If you need something ju...
- Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:39 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Arm gussets on 15th century breast plates - construction?
- Replies: 9
- Views: 416
I have seen 16th c. breastplates (Italian) that don't have slots too. They may flex or they may just sort of sit there. They are pretty permanent feeling on the ones I have played with. I own a couple. Blair described the 15th c. gussets he played with as 'fixed' as opposed to 'sliding' so he certai...
- Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:51 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Black and White Armour Question
- Replies: 6
- Views: 395
- Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:12 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Replacing armor pieces
- Replies: 3
- Views: 257
I read the question a little differently. Not - when did new stuff come in. But - if I already have stuff, how long do I wait to replace it with the new stuff? I don't think that there is going to be a good answer. You would have to find household records detailed enough to not only tell you when th...
- Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:37 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Grade My Eye-Gouger please.
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1216
Thanks Thorbrandr. I would have shared my books, but they are a bit far away. I am happy to share with people within reasonable distance, just like the armour. Books and any other sources for images of authentic pieces are good. The more the better. I find that looking at original pieces and images ...
- Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:25 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Evolution of fighting styles - how do "older" styl
- Replies: 81
- Views: 3171
Just a slight derail from the main topic, then we can go back. Maybe you were in a different part of the Middle. I really rarely saw one hand thrusting tips and when I did they didn't really do much. I didn't fight all over the kingdom, I tended to be limited to Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan incl...
- Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:51 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Black and White Armour Question
- Replies: 6
- Views: 395
- Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:39 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Grade My Eye-Gouger please.
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1216
Pitbull, You say you are 'doing a large one like on the Avant harness' - are you trying to make an elbow like this or are you trying to make a reinforce for the elbow like the Avant harness? They are somewhat different. Construction advice would be different. For example - the reinforce does not hav...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:55 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Grade My Eye-Gouger please.
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1216
Wander down to NC and play with the bits in person.... It really is nice to just play with some of the original pieces. There are some pretty subtle shapes that are fun to inspect and argue about in person. I have been adding pieces recently and it has been a while since the last study session. I wi...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:29 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Grade My Eye-Gouger please.
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1216
The pattern that was posted was probably ours (Aaron's and mine from the dark ages of armouring in the 80's). It re-appears every so often. Basically 'Y' where you an vary the pointiness of the cop by the angle of the 'Y'. Thaden probably did some that way too since it is the right way to do it. I w...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:46 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Grade My Eye-Gouger please.
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1216
Depends on the goal here. Will it work? Sure. Looking at the cheap ones I have made and some real ones in the Royal Armouries and Vienna..... Too flaired. Almost everywhere. All of these things are a little subtle, but the general idea seems to be that the profile of the flair at the side is pretty ...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:48 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Evolution of fighting styles - how do "older" styl
- Replies: 81
- Views: 3171
I was talking about the same thing but from a totally different direction with Count Valerius (currently Northshield) a few weeks ago. We both go back to some pretty old-school styles. I was last really active in the Middle Kingdom in the early-mid 80's. He has stayed more active over the years and ...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:20 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: It started out to pass time...
- Replies: 2
- Views: 437
Just my opinion, but with boffers there is no need for knee/elbow armour. The boffers do that for you. My kid and I have destroyed several boffers over the years - he hits hard - wth no real harm done at all. Mainly some stinging when a good wail happens. We didn't use any armour at all. We used bof...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:17 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Faulds/Tassets
- Replies: 5
- Views: 349
Honestly? If that is what the breastplate looks like, keep it the way it is. Spend some time looking at real armour. There is lots of it out there in museums, books and the web. Don't look at modern pieces, look at the real thing. Decide what you like. Make/have made a new breastplate that matches t...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:14 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Armour for Women
- Replies: 19
- Views: 1231
I know I am not a woman, but I do have one in the house. Yes, women have squishy bits that at least mostly conform to the shape in which they are placed. Sports bras certainly affect the shape. I personally think that the most reasonable armour type for a woman (esp. one with some curves) is a solid...
- Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:27 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Faulds/Tassets
- Replies: 5
- Views: 349
Honestly there will be a lot of answers to your question(s) which depend on what your breast and back actually look like and how authentic you want to be. Building tassets is normally no big deal if you want simple 15th c. one piece tassets. Building a fauld isn't all that hard, but you have to know...
- Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:57 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Show us your shields.
- Replies: 584
- Views: 37227
This is from a few years ago and was posted separately, but the shield was a little fun. Curved 2 layers of plywood. glued linen cover with gesso and paint with a glued leather back cover and enarmes and guige. The arms were taken from the city of Nuremberg. I am sure it wouldn't hold up to SCA comb...
- Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:49 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Design the ultimate practice space
- Replies: 28
- Views: 811
the stock pavillion at Jara if it smeeld better and had some heavy bags and i could go use it anytime i wanted instead of not being able to go at all Actually, that was my first thought - I was there for school for 2 years and it was a really cool site. Big enough for archery followed by heavy figh...
- Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:34 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Newbie Question I know (Elbow Cops)
- Replies: 9
- Views: 264
Lacing it to the underlying garment seems to be as close as you can get to correct. That said, Aaron and I have both worn elbows directly over the gambeson sleave without attaching it to anything. The one I have includes a glued in pad (probably helps keep it from slipping) and a strap around the in...
- Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:59 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Which is more comfortable: Flat or round mail?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 518
I would expect that the real answer will depend on specific details of the mail concerned. Much of the modern riveted mail is really pretty unlike the real stuff. The overlaps are much cruder and sharper and the flat stuff is much flatter than most of the real stuff I play with. That means that the ...
- Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:29 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Spring steel and rust
- Replies: 15
- Views: 538
Really we are messing around in a range of differences that doesn't matter to most people. Polish/treatment matter the most. Buffed rusts less than matte finish - but you care more when it does rust. Sitting in sweat is bad. Sitting in water is bad. Playing with it is bad. Buffing it, then waxing (o...
- Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:18 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Spring steel and rust
- Replies: 15
- Views: 538
As you can tell from the random answers: Alloy matters. Some 'springs' are more 'stainless' than others. My personal experience implies that 1050 will rust a little less than normal mild, but you just had the opposite stated. Basically non-stainless will rust. Be careful, use oil/wax/something to ke...
- Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:59 pm
- Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
- Topic: the SCA room in your house
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2311
- Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:09 pm
- Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
- Topic: the SCA room in your house
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2311
- Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:05 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Did cuissies wrap plates ever go on the inside of the leg?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 518
Re: Did cuissies wrap plates ever go on the inside of the le
I was looking at these legs from Churburg: http://www.mallet-argent.com/images/legs_from_churburg_CH_S12_c1365-70_2.jpg , and I noriced something. On the outside of the right leg, you can see a rivet-and-slit for securing a strap. And on the inside of the other leg, you can see a row of 5 rivets, a...
- Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:46 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Zirconium Belts
- Replies: 7
- Views: 493
I use her belts (good belts, good prices, good service). I have ended up with various grits over the years and somehow I got some smoother ones. I don't use them anyway. Generally just use the coarser up to about 120 and then move over to setup wheels - cotton buffs with abrasive glued to them (seve...
- Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:13 am
- Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
- Topic: Pewter buckles - strength?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 248
- Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:52 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Maximilian Breastplate
- Replies: 19
- Views: 870
How do I think they made the edges thinner? Anything is just a guess, but I personally feel that this kind of piece would have been made from a relatively (compared to what we tend to use) thick piece of material where the form is knocked into the piece through whacking from the inside against an an...
- Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:33 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Maximilian Breastplate
- Replies: 19
- Views: 870
- Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:00 am
- Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
- Topic: Historical armour with no shaping, how likely?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 528
1. There is a huge difference between 'shapeless' and 'nearly shapeless'. The difference matters a lot to us since we start with clean flat sheet. I don't think it mattered as much to them since they would have started from sheet-esque stuff but probably not in any way clean. So all of the metal mig...
- Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:53 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Maille standards
- Replies: 14
- Views: 919
There is one on Historic Enterprises' site. That is probably where most people get theirs. I made one. It included a stiff padded strip that helps hold the neck up. m It did a nice enough job of filling in the gap above the breastplate. m From memory, it was a straight strip of mail with 2 pieces be...
- Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:01 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Gauntlets from a 15th c painting - *progress pics
- Replies: 6
- Views: 566
The cloth is modern tape glued into the finger to try to keep the old leather from falling all the way apart. It is in no way part of the original construction. Back when we did 14th c. gauntlets we would put felt in between the finger leathers and the glove. It seemed to add some comfort. I have no...
