The Armour Archive

James B.

Roll down to the belt is my thought.

James B.

The waist rolls on braies could be significant, and should not cut into the flesh in the way that a 2" leather belt does. Who says there is not a belt on under that roll? Not to hijack the thread, but were there such a thing as a "half" chause, where the front of the leg was covered by plate, the r...

James B.

Bulky draws are still seen in the early 15th century but are most certainly on the decline for shorter tighter fitting ones.

James B.

Likely; as best we can tell from a tiny painting.

James B.

The gold one on the central figure? I would guess its is some sort of cloth of gold.

James B.

I never did much of a write up in it we sat around and talked about what we saw in the images at a meeting but I a glad it can be of some use.

James B.

I will get images up when I get a few things finished.

James B.

Here is the PDF I started last year; all images are 1400-1420 www.historiclife.com/pdf/Early15thCBelts.pdf

James B.

There are belts in the 1-1.5 inch range likely for men adorned with metal fittings in the art. I have a PDF I made for La Belle on belts in that era I can post later. Most commonly depicted is roundish fittings in the center of a moderate sized girdle.

James B.

This has been talked about here, there is an image or two of people wearing this sort of crown with a coif but its not the common thing.

James B.

Legs like that are seem in the 1340s Romance of Alexander too.

James B.

The Kings Mirror Quote really helps, it is the way I was planning to go. I wonder do you know some effigies or art to look at showing the hose and maille chausses at the top like that?

James B.

Does anyone have good evidence on how maille chausses were suspending from 1350 or earlier? In recent talks we have seen evidence on the foot and of lacing rings for the back but nothing on how a man kept them up.

James B.

I was thinking the same thing as Mac, a Roman themed breast plate.

James B.

Bertus thanks for sharing that have not seen it before.

James B.

And one more set of three

James B.

More images

James B.

The “Rex Siphax” drawing is interesting, and no so different from late 14th century fashions, but it is also late. The early doublet and the late kirtle have a natural and overlapping transition and that early doublet and later fashions have another. It's perfectly withing its time from with the sc...

James B.

If you look at the MyArmoury discussion, it establishes the use of sleeve points as simply decorative elements on civilian 15th century doublets. Having said that, I'm quite certain this is an arming coat. That is a bizarre conclusion almost every one of those images is of a military figure. Even i...

James B.

Late 14th century is a century beyond my primary study area, so excuse my ignorance. I would come from the opposite direction, and ask what evidence for pointing remains on the cuisses and rebraces. Are there pairs of rivets at the tops of the cuisse or rebrace holding a leather tab, or pairs of ho...

James B.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x241/SManning_photos/Late%20Fourteenth%20Century/BNF_Latin_757_286v_cropped_zpse8161ce8.jpg This guy is not in harness, but what were those tabs laced to? The blue doublet underneath. Look at the arm the red garment is a gown layer over a blue garment which is lik...

James B.

The Charles de Blois garment had tabs with eyelets for pointing inside the garment, the same could be true for an arming garment.

James B.

Makes sense, we do it for so many other applications.

James B.

So I was reading this because I have some 1340s armor I am cleaning up and re-strapping and one thing I noticed in the St George image is that the straps over the elbow are both on leather straps instead of the buckle being on the armor via a metal strap end. Do you guys think the elbows and knees a...

James B.

Stumbled on this today. ca. 1360-1380 - 'Drakenborch tomb, maybe Frederik van Drakenborch (schout (bailiff) of Utrecht in 1350) or Werner (bailiff from 1364 to 1377)', Utrecht, Centraal Museum, Utrecht, province of Utrecht, Netherlands: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/1624424022/ http://www...

James B.

Ernest posted what I would have posted. I believe the Sr Louise shirt is a linen tunic not a shirt. Linen tunics were allowed in the middle east climates.

James B.

(snip) As I stated some armor is clearly pointed to the under garment such as some vambraces examples but I have yet to see rearbraces over maille show points. Jean de Walcourt (1362) has a rerebrace over mail with a point. Personally I am looking at 1340-50, and I do not mean to imply its all done...

James B.

I went through and tagged 28 effigies/brasses that show points of some sort (1310-1440): http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/?tags=points&title=Points Many of these effigies show what I am talking about only the loosely floating disc at the elbow shows any pointing, nothing is shown for the elb...

James B.

Saddle soap. I left some leather armor that was wet in a box for a week once by mistake (long pennsic story) and it was covered in mold, saddle soap took it all off and I re-purposed the leather and still have some almost 10 years later.

James B.

I too have tried buttons and lacing, I prefer lacing for stability and flatness but both did the job.

James B.

Looking a bunch at earlier stuff at the moment I am not convinced all arm armors were laced on at all. Much of it seems to float over the maille. Then you have armors where the maille sleeve is over the rearbrace which becomes common int he 15th century. Some 1330-1360s armors show an open maille sl...

James B.

I feel the same way about it, its a chapel over a bascient. They wore great helms over bascients why not a chapel?

James B.

I never thought of them being metal. Hmm.

James B.

After reading this thread and the linked thread I have noticed a bunch of mid 14th artwork shows laced greaves. Interesting.

James B.

There is something like that at Leeds too if I remember correctly.

Re: Holding up maille chausses, how did they do it?

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Re: Early 15th Century Men's Belts?

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Re: Holding up maille chausses, how did they do it?

Re: Early 15th Century Men's Belts?

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Re: Is it correct to wear a cap under a crown?

Re: Italian Segmented Legs 1380-1390

Re: Holding up maille chausses, how did they do it?

Holding up maille chausses, how did they do it?

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Re: 14th century leg harness buckles

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Re: Is lacing armor legitimate?

Re: Looking for Hospitallers Patterns

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Re: Getting rid of white mold on leather....

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Re: Kettle Hats over Bascinets

Re: Hosen detail

Re: Is lacing armor legitimate?

Re: Another mail project: "Braies d'acier" or breyettes