The Armour Archive

James B.

Well there is not much art at all from that time period for the English to sample from. Effigies are fairly standard looking, everyone has basically the same civilian outfit or military kit, and the few manuscripts from that era show a different variety of items than what is seen in effigies. But we...

James B.

I have a question about the english at this time period. Were the upper cannon of the arms the rarebrace sp? always enclosed or was the gutter style still in use? The enclosed rerebrace becomes pretty standard for English knightly armour in the 1340's, and never goes out of use. You can still find ...

James B.

We call that type of armor "LARPandine", ...no good for SCA heavy... Viscount Sir Richard de Camville wore a brig with plates like that, over a hauberk and aketon, for years. He did fine. I would not recommend brand new fighters emulate experienced fighters right away; blocking and dodgin...

James B.

Here is a recent thread about La Belle moving in that direction viewtopic.php?f=16&t=140726

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James B.

Too open a bit of a can of worms here I think many of the 14th century mafia types are a bit more Agincourt in armor and sometimes over garments than they are in the one true century. The problem is there is a blurry line for people who like to take stuff that does not start showing up until the sup...

James B.

It is an SCA thing. There are in fact CoPs made with small squarish plates in the Wisby finds but they overlap; there is no real protection is the movie versions all the protection and strength in such armor is in the overlap.

Here is are some examples:

http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/wisby/

James B.

Galfrid atte grene wrote:
James B. wrote:There are plaque belt pieces that may have hooked that way.

Could you give an example?

Have to get home and look in some books.

James B.

There are plaque belt pieces that may have hooked that way. However if you are asking can you use a modern buckle for a medieval one the answer is no, no modern buckle even if it works the same has the right profile of a medieval buckle; at least nothing I have seen.

James B.

Actually while looking up how to properly sharpen an axe I saw some amazing modern videos of people doing similar things. As I recall a guy took a log, knocked it down to a few pieces and knocked out an axe handle with just a small axe in 30 minutes. These type of arts are not lost they are just pra...

James B.

There is a pattern layout in the new Mary Rose book, Weapons of War if you can borrow it from someone. The shoulder caps are just part of the arms eye otherwise it is not much different than a doublet body.

James B.

True Tudor is not really popular. I worked out a pattern for a Mary Rose type jerkin and have a half finished cloth version at home. But I have never gotten around to finishing the doublet for it yet either; I lost steam on a MR outfit to get other things done. I found there was quite a verity of go...

James B.

Romans used them; it was not until the 12th century did long sleeves, leggings, and mufflers for the hand come to fashion. Also worth a not wedge riveted flat maille also does not come in until the crusades; the Romans started out with round pin riveted rings with alternating flat punched out solid ...

James B.

http://www.mathildegirlgenius.com/Jeff/ItalianTable.htm

Seen this table by Jeff J? It has a dove tail slot together top; it is a super strong design.

James B.

I am sure your school library or your local one should have some books on arms and armor you can use to debunk such claims. Anything by Oakeshott should do the trick.

James B.

I recorded both last years show and the new one Friday night and watched them yesterday; the new updated show was really impressive. I am looking forward to going to the exhibit soon. Hmmm maybe Sunday.

James B.

In answer to the question about whether or not to use the grande assiette sleeve pattern for the loose, flowing gown worn over armour in the OP's image, I'd say no, you don't need it at all. That serves better when the body is tightly fitted. Good point, all the images of outer layers with grande a...

James B.

Sorry I forgot the word around. Should be "around 1400". Several manuscripts dated 1395-1400 have the same look. However nothing else before a 1390 dating has that look. This is more much more inline with the early 15th century look than the typical 14th century look; this is the hip new t...

James B.

Thanks all. The British Library dates the Ms to 1380 or later. What that means is they have no actual production date they can trace so they are taking a guess at its date; mainly based on the content being about the 1370s revolt. Some sites date it as late as 1410. Here is the thing, the artwork i...

James B.

Not sure I agree with the term "gown". But one man's hammer is another man's mallet. Gown is found in English writing as well as Jupon and the French use Houppeland and Jupon. Chaucer uses the term gown in the Squire "Short was his gown, the sleeves were long and wide" and "...

James B.

My guess, having the whole of that manuscript, is that it is a pleated livery gown. This is the beginning of the large gown fashion era; you see pleated items like this and padded items together in many resources from this era. Also just to make sure we are getting the time frame correct if this is ...

James B.

Although sleave caps were not on a lot of surcoats. Yes they are shawn in somewhat the same way. But we should use this artist to interpret what he is trying to show. And on the same piece of paper he clearly showed a full cut down the middle where the thing opens. So yes of course it is possible i...

James B.

Master Galleron's post on Panzerhose may give some insight into attaching them to hose:

http://willscommonplacebook.blogspot.co ... rhose.html

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Also they have none of the signs of brigandine like rivits etc. It is a tiny miniature, it is only a few inches by an inch or so. The buckles themselves are depicted much larger than any real buckle of the era likely because you cannot get detail that small easy. My argument for a brigandine is tha...

James B.

I will have to look for the new show to repeat.

James B.

I wonder if the guys with the back straps are supposed to be wearing a brigandine of sorts. The detail in the images are not good enough to really tell.

James B.

La Belle did a duck in the pan over the fire last event, it was super tasty. Duck fat later used to fry some other items.

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Yeah I will be going to see this. I think the local SCA folks are planning a demo I may have to go to.

James B.

That is hilarious Mac. Quite a number of years ago (about 10) Jeff J, Tasha, Winterfell, Tanc, Kass and Bob, and myself all meet up at the Philly Art Museum as an Archive gathering of sorts. There were some Japanese girls looking at the cod pieces in the display and they turned to Bob and me and sai...

James B.

The dating ranges between the 1480s and early 16th century; personally I would not date it before the 1490s looking at art from that time frame.

Jester, that is the only image I have ever seen of these hose, and yes it is a cod piece.

James B.

Sweet dude; I got to get back to my outfit and get the aketon and maille ready.

James B.

The ROA clothing is tight in the upper body but clearly has lots of material from the waist down unlike the styles in the 1350s where the whole thing is tight fitting.

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James B.

You can see some in the Peel Affinity in the market scene. Made of green branches bent to shape and lashed together.

James B.

Oxbow put it out before the book was published. I used it to make my first correct purse before I got the book (before it was out).

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