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SyrRhys

Russ, it's notworth the time or effort. Rhys is adamant that for the SCA to do it's job of providinga creative outlet for tose wo wish to pursue historical whimsy, you need to pursue that historical whismy in an absolutely rigid way. That the SCa's combat convetionsare based o nthe 12th century, a ...

SyrRhys

Sorry, but that's not good enough. By settling for a LARP we keep out the serious people who could help us to raise the bar of what we're doing. By restricting what "knightly" refers to, otoh, one does the same. The Cult of Chivalry is its own, highly peculiar product, and exists within v...

SyrRhys

Wouldn't this proposal change what is considered legal targeting and make the hands a legal target? (For the record - I'm okay with that) Nope. It makes *basket hilts* a legal target, and no one can argue with that since so many SCAdians block with them now. That's one of the sneakier parts of this...

SyrRhys

For His Excellency Rhys, "Chivalry" was a social/political class in his time and place. Archers were not in the social class of chivalry; archers were employees of the chivalry in his retinue (if he had one) and those retinues of the higher classes (knights bannertte, earls, barons,counts...

SyrRhys

SyrRhys Thats is AWESOME. I love those rules... Thank you, I appreciate that. They're simple, easy to learn, easy to judge, and they work like a charm. And best of all, they really do encourage a more accurate kind of fighting. To me, they're just more enjoyable; showing a fight to outsiders where ...

SyrRhys

Just trying to clarify, but according to this. m Basket hilts made an apperance in the 1500's which makes them "legit" in our system.... Don't get me wrong, I love the feel of a properly balance sword, without a basket hilt, I just can afford to shell out the dough right now for gauntlets...

SyrRhys

Ok, so if a hit to the basket hilt is a kill, then so is a hit to a gauntlet? Syr Finn hit it pretty close. Using a gauntlet is very different and very restrictive compared with using your bare hand, which is, in effect, what a basket hilt allows you to do. Try it some time. As for hitting gauntlet...

SyrRhys

thumbs up for Rhys' counted blows system. preferable in many ways. Rhys, do you typically pause after a good blow, or keep swinging? as for evolution, we just got the heads up on our Kingdom list that we'll be outlawing plastic shields. aluminum will still be ok, which is confusing to some. No, we ...

SyrRhys

I believe that, in the context of the SCA, striking from behind is unchivalrous. This is because we do have examples of various tournaments where there were limits to weapons or target areas (plaisance vs. outrance, barriers, etc.) Combat within the SCA has some similar rules (I believe it to be a ...

SyrRhys

The SCA is a medievally themed costume party LARP. We pick our favorite arch-type character from history and recreate it. We dress up in funny clothes and get together and play LARP. I don't think the SCA ever was intended to re-live the middle ages. It is just not that type of crowd. I DO think we...

SyrRhys

Wow Rhys, I would hate to fight under a system like that, I would have to have my rules attorney standing next to me to make sure I didn't make a mistake...... Since someone explained counted blow system to me (I think it was Murdock) I think that is fine, but this is good and that is not, complica...

SyrRhys

Maeryk wrote:And, why don't you go to a living history group, which is much more suited, and has organizational goals much closer to what you seem to want than the SCA does?

Because this is supposed to *be* a group dedicated to studying history, not a LARP, obviously. How could that not be clear?

SyrRhys

One group here is playing football, by the rules posted at the entrance to the stadium. Another is claiming that since football evolved from Rugby, they should not only be allowed to play rugby on the same field at the same time, but they should be able to force everyone else to play rugby also. A ...

SyrRhys

There are at least 2 or more facets to this discussion, the period example and the victorian one as it relates to the SCA. I was speaking from the victorian as it relates to the SCA example. If we as non archers are unhappy with being bested from afar without being able to nobly engage our oponent,...

SyrRhys

I think it's past time for a more accurate format--in most ways (more below). We know so much more about combat than we did before there's almost no excuse for not changing our combat system to reflect that. The most serious problem we face in accomplishing that goal is that decisions about fighting...

SyrRhys

Cat of Black Talon wrote:I am no man.

Cat

Well, I guess when you use internet pseudonyms in your correspondence that's a bit of confusion you'll just have to live with.

SyrRhys

You are confusing Chivalrous with Honor. One can be Honorable without being Chivalrous, but one can NOT be chivalrous without being honorable. CA is un-chivalrous no matter how you slice it. An archer is killing/besting from a safe distane with minimal risk to themselves while dealing damage to tho...

SyrRhys

audax wrote:I say major overhaul. I'm betting Rhys will say it's unfixable.

Of course it's unfixable. It has as much place in what we do as a ostrich in a horse race.

Melee without CA is like hunting without an accordian.

SyrRhys

Rhys, You're arguments grow weaker when you attack with name calling and such, as you did to me a post earlier and here. I'll agree to disagree, but I'm not going to stoop to questioning your education, just your "authority" on where you get these view points on people who pick up the bow...

SyrRhys

I fully expect to get flamed for what I am about to say but my god I have never seen so many people whinging because their defence was lacking and they got killed. Haven't any of you ever made a mistake and got killed by a fighter who's skill level was far below that of your own? I may be just a sq...

SyrRhys

Good grief, Rhys, just because some CA has been seen doing this, 1) it isn't fair to blanket the CA community with the label of being unchivalrous and 2) On what "authority?", and pls don't tell me "I'm a knight in the SCA," do you claim to know the heart of any archer and their...

SyrRhys

I'm not saying that CA is unchivalrous...I'll leave that debate to other folks. I'm just saying that everyone who fights in the SCA is supposed to behave in a knightly and chivalrous manner...there's a lot of lists of knightly virtues to choose from, and different codes of chivalry. So, after all t...

SyrRhys

No, my analogy is fine, because _we_ (the great unwashed) actually understand what the SCA _is_. You are the one who keeps stubbornly sticking to a definition that is at best based on bad word choice, and demanding all accept that. The doctors DO know their profession.. you are the one who continua...

SyrRhys

Except only a handful of you are the ones that think it's "broken". You keep visiting doctor after doctor looking for the imaginary bug the Dentist put in your teeth.. and doctor after doctor tells you it's not what you think it is. Your analogy isn't valid because doctors (as a rule) und...

SyrRhys

My final word on this thread: Finally! Sure, ok, CA isn't chivalric or noble or whatever you wanna call it. But by seeking to actively ban it I simply wonder what your next "We, The PTB of the SCA, Now Dislike" target will be, until the SCA is what you think it ought to be. japanese perso...

SyrRhys

Then why are so many events "War" events, in name and objectives? Ask the fighters on the ground, "Are you fighting a battle or just in a grand melee?" and you will get a majority of those saying battle. You may view them as melees, but I believe that is no longer the current vi...

SyrRhys

This is very much a living, breathing horse that deserves as much beating as it deserves and/or requires. I would say that what Rhys and I do is similar, while what Brand and Logan do is similar. Rhys and I are not really into conventional SCA combat at all. However, we all have one thing in common...

SyrRhys

Actually nope I don't confuse it with him being "a nice guy" I actually don't know if he is a nice guy or not. But I do see him giving his counsel to Kings and Queens. As a triple peer he must be doing something right in the Society. With respect, whatver his other virtues (and I'm sure t...

SyrRhys

SyrRhys, Am I understanding correctly that you believe that anyone who uses a Bow, or XBow in SCA combat is Unchivalrous and Unknightly? Just wondering because I know of atleast one Knight in AnTir that uses a x-bow in combat up here (he also makes them). And it would be a far cry to call him unchi...

SyrRhys

So your contention is that I'm ignorant and therefore my opinion doesn't count? I submit that my opinion matters just as much as yours; you're just more of a jerk about it than I ever want to be, and therefore you "win" on a mixture of emotion, evidence, and sheer stubbornness. Yes, preci...

SyrRhys

We are instructed in the Society Rules of the Lists to behave in a knightly and chivalrous manner. Knighthood and chivalry are the ideals SCA combat is intended to foster regardless of whether or not you personna predated them or was from a non-European society. Good Sir you speak of honour and chi...

SyrRhys

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/thorgrim/smilies/dead%20horse.gif Perhaps this is beating a dead horse, but if you ignore people like this they will continue to spread their nonsense to the ignorant and we have to go over it all again in a few months. People aren't very dedicated to learning....

SyrRhys

Rhyse and Brand, do you think the chiv have cornered the market on knightly virtues? You speak as though you do. Just wondering what leads you to that kind of philosophy. No one ever said the SCA chivalry had cornered the market on knightly values; both in period and now many of those below the ran...

SyrRhys

Saritor wrote:Well, we're two-thirds of the way there...

OK, so let's pull back from there. For once, let's all say "Hey, this is wrong and I'm not going to contribute to it."

SyrRhys

Yes, Rhys. But _YOUR_ reality is pure fantasy to my 16thC Landsknecht, as my reality is pure fantasy to YOUR persona. That is the issue. You are trying to boil this all down to _ONE_ period which you choose to be the "pinnacle" as it were, and make everyone else succumb to your definition...