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Klaus the Red

It's pretty, but I think you're going to be hard-pressed to sell it at that price. Obviously you put a whole lot of work into it, but consider that it's possible to buy a riveted shirt for around the same price and 2/3 the weight, and a butted shirt for as low as $120. The demand these days is for m...

Klaus the Red

Tracy, I think you have it right. Late 15th century joined hose ride up pretty high.

Klaus the Red

Ok, that's just weird. There seems to be a cuff on the sword-arm and the wrinkling of a sleeve, also a square neckline, but the other arm looks quite bare. Ya got me.

Klaus the Red

God, I love this community!

Klaus the Red

In the back of my mind there is a reference to points being cut, not untied. Does this ring a bell with anyone? I can't think of the source either, but I seem to recall a reference to points in a tournament or judicial combat being knotted tightly and then having the loose ends cut off, in which ca...

Klaus the Red

I can't make much sense out of that sleeve to be honest; I can't figure out where the shoulder and wrist seams are or why there would be points at that spot Sean, the bulge of the top right edge corresponds to the point of the shoulder, and the "scoop" on the top left is the underarm, if that helps...

Klaus the Red

Perhaps, someone can re-post the pic with circles around the places....?

I would if I wasn't late for work... Do you see the square chunk that's missing from the upper right edge? Look immediately to its left.

Klaus the Red

Mac, look between the two "brackets" of decoration in the top right, toward the bottom.

Klaus the Red

Excellent point, you are quite correct. It's also possible that this could have been made specifically as a funerary garment. In that case, it makes sense that it is both of rich material and has the features of a military garment, if it's a ceremonial representation of the man's rank. The distincti...

Klaus the Red

The $10K questions is- do the "armor" eyelets show any signs of wear? I don't think it's beyond the pale for a man of means to have worn armor for parade/ceremonial purposes over a fancy civil doublet, without voiders. That's just my gut talking- I haven't seen pictorial evidence of that per se.

Klaus the Red

Hell if I know, the picture makes perfect sense to me.

Klaus the Red

James, the conclusion is not mine- several of the posted photos are labeled, "civil garment with decorative points." I nonetheless find it plausible.

Klaus the Red

Mac, I think the unwritten part of that question was, "If the doublet only holds up his hose, then it is probably civilian, and therefore why...?" Drew- I wouldn't worry too much about finding the absolute answer to what was pointed where. Experiment. Put several sets of holes in your coat and move ...

Klaus the Red

If you look at the MyArmoury discussion, it establishes the use of sleeve points as simply decorative elements on civilian 15th century doublets. Having said that, I'm quite certain this is an arming coat.

Klaus the Red

Mac, the top image is exactly the one I was thinking of. The style and lettering are identical to the images shown in Mann's article. Toby cites it as "1435 - 1445 King Syphax (fol 2825v), Istituto al Gabinetto, Rome," whereas Mann refers to the MS being held in the Camera dell Stampe, Rome, but I h...

Klaus the Red

I believe there is one figure in the "Paduan sketchbook", second q. 15th c., showing a king wearing an arming coat with points coming through the upper sleeves. This was from a series of line drawings of mythical/classical kings in contemporary harness. Several figures are reproduced in J.G. Mann's ...

Klaus the Red

The Charles de Blois garment had tabs with eyelets for pointing inside the garment, the same could be true for an arming garment. Actually, the points are sewn directly to the peplum- formed by strips of cloth twisted into strings, I believe. Unfortunately, this is the best resolution image I have....

Klaus the Red

James, absolutely- there needs to be a leather extension on the buckle side to get the buckle far enough around the elbow/knee for access. However, my sense from the discussion is that the buckle proper was still on a metal plate rather than attached directly to the strap.

Klaus the Red

Hi, Danica-

Welcome to the Archive. Do you have any examples of your work that's more closely based on historical clothing and less cosplay/LARP-oriented? There is greater demand for the former here than the latter.

Klaus

Klaus the Red

If he was a thief, you'd think he might avoid including his photo (unless that's a gullible friend)...

Klaus the Red

Mother of invention...

Klaus the Red

Tasty food for thought, thanks. I'll see how the shirt moves with me after I do the basic alteration before deciding where to go next- I will probably want to field it first and then start doing expansions/contractions/gussets at some future point, lest it stay in the shop forever.

Klaus the Red

I've been patching and piecing another shirt for some time- I'm not very happy with it, but I've learned a thing or two. One approach I tried with the old one that I plan to repeat with the new is to remove a strip down the front to reduce the circumference asymmetrically, and turn it into a front-o...

Klaus the Red

Heh. Loads of documentable instances of that, I bet.

Klaus the Red

Bump.

Klaus the Red

Interesting labor-saving technique there on the elbow fans! You might want to try riveting them from the inside out instead, countersinking the rivets into beveled holes and polishing them into near-invisibility if you want to make them look more like they were raised in one piece. Of course, with t...

Klaus the Red

Seconded on Pitbull. Looks like about $110 will get you elbows and articulated knees:
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Klaus the Red

That'll do it, thanks! I have a set of stainless legs I'd be willing to part with but for more than your budget. If you want complete legs and elbows, you'll be very lucky to get them for that price, even used. You might be able to get just the elbows and knees and some sort of cuisse material, some...

Klaus the Red

Save us some time- post what you want, not what you don't. Size? Style? Materials? Budget?

Klaus the Red

I just purchased the last mail shirt that Historic Enterprises had in stock at a discount, having mis-read the listing and thought it was a size small: 44" actual chest measurement for a 40" chest. However, it turned out to be a medium, 50" to fit a 44" chest. The actual stats as cut-and-pasted from...

Klaus the Red

Unless you have in an image explicitly showing two different helmets (and not a bascinet and a straw sun-hat, say), it's always possible it's a bascinet with a brim halfway up. I know at least one of those exists.

Klaus the Red

$20 off of how much?

Klaus the Red

Wie schön! Sind sie am meistens vom 15. - 16. Jahrhundert?

Klaus the Red

Ah! My mistake- I didn't scroll that far in his photo gallery.

Klaus the Red

Tom, are you saying the photos shown by the seller are from the book?

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