The Armour Archive

RandallMoffett

I'll do my best Kon.

RandallMoffett

Kon,

I'm good with that.

Dan,

How many types of hardened leather have you made Dan? I know people tend to promote heat more now than in the past after wet forming. What is your take on these processes?

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Sounds like this thread ends up more or less with common perception is basically wrong and the evidence is largely based on proto-nationalist propaganda...

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Ernst, Not too sharp just tend to read the latin when it is there to see what is going on. I saw this account in English and really like the level of detail the scribe put into it. My next pair of plates will be a red velvet with double canvas layer under it. I want to use silver rivets know but I f...

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Ernst, Seems to be what I see as well. I see very little evidence for leather besides a few hints here and there and Thordmann. There is a Italian pair of plates that still has some of its textile foundation. Is the Latin the entire section? Looks like some is missing. the first number of plates in ...

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Kon, Why do you think this? The only documents I know of show armour reqs that are near the same in the 14th. We have the 1318 in the Scot Parl. Rolls that is near identical to one from Ed II and Ed III run. There are as far as I know 0 MS of this period, precious little art in general or inventorie...

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I may have some pictures of one I made some time ago in a somewhat step by step manner. Shoot me an email and I will send it over. My thoughts on where most COPs go wrong- Make it fit you. People often think they are one size fits all. This is not likely so, especially with some of the later models....

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Kel, I am actually not saying that. My point is largely the lack in one inventory cannot be used to show how common something is or to devalue the item in another inventory. As well the danger of misuse of inventories for things they are not meant to do. I think that if we make assumptions we should...

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I think one of the ones that I posted is sort of like that. I do not recall any early bascinets with center mounts like that.

http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4181/10648/

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Here are a few. You can see there is a number of different styles that are pretty neat but show variation. http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4100/12684/ http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4100/12703/ http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4100/12709/ http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4100/12719/ http://manuscript...

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Thorgar, Do you mean in historic times or SCA? 'Richard II, 1378 CPR vol. I, pg. 201, Pardon to Robert Salle, knight, for all negligence, misprisions, trespasses or defaults in having left without licence the castle of Merk in the march of Calais when governor thereof and come into England, whereby,...

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J, Not sure if I posted this in the other thread but here is a list from 1318 of the basic requirements in Scotland, in theory throughout the kingdom. http://www.rps.ac.uk/ Item, it was ordained and assented that each layman of the kingdom having £10 in goods should have for his body in defence of t...

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Kel, 'And there is is. Many were perfectly satisfied with the density of a heavy hauberk with some sort of padding. Undoubtedly those that had served or tourneyed on the Continent adjusted their equipment. Jean le Bel clearly chose to pick on those that didn't to prove his point. For us the unfortun...

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Kel, 'Standards for commissions of array were legislated because they were not being met. If everyone had the required equipment, there would be no need to produce such legislation.' Not quite. The commissions of Array are used specifically for a purpose. They have a aim or threat in mind so they pl...

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Interesting bit of armour. When is the original from? How long did they use these?

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Kel, I disagree. I see 0 difference between the early 14th in respect to continental and English inventories with plate or really armour in general. In fact some of the earliest references to plate seem to be in England in both art and text. I think Jean Le Bel has seriously misguided many especiall...

RandallMoffett

Kel, That is pretty straight forward. The same reason I think Villani is a terrible source for Crecy. It does not have much evidence to back it up from other contemporaries. When you look at inventories and such of the period in the places he is claiming are better equipped.... they are almost the s...

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Kon, 'It actually simplifies his situation that the British Isles were something of a backwater in armor fashion, and all parts of Scotland even more so' The problem is that is wrong for the lowlands. From what I can tell there no more than any other part of Europe in general. Not true for most of S...

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I'd for sure check out the link as the 14th century is a long century and any short summary is going to be hard to give you a good idea on what you should be doing. Once I find a way to host pictures I am going to put a 'I wanna be a' mid 14th century Scottish Knight post but I do not want to do it ...

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I'd not be 100% so sure of that Dan. I have held and worn some very heavy period plate. If we had a way to compare period mail that covers a specific area on the body to plate we could see for sure if that is the case but I am still not entirely onboard with the added weight being the only trade off...

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'It's possible that it may have been considered inferior to mail on the battlefield. Mail covered more of the body, was more comfortable, and provided similar protection from the majority of weapons." I like this statement. Very true. I think this may be the answer to your question. Threats change a...

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They also switch sides fairly often but were key players at many major campaigns in the 100 YW.

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Look into Genoa. They were top tier mercs for much of the period in crossbowmen and boats.

They show up all over Chronicles such as Froissart

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I think that Mr. Nadler has one up somewhere he made recently for the BotN.

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Very awesome! Thanks for the amazing photos!

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Set works. I tend to go by meanings over direct translations to avoid loss of meaning from the original. Set works in this case I think.

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You can find 14th century torso armour of this nature but I think Bob is right. His key points on it all seem to tie to later but not to worry there are literally tons of evidence for 14th century armour. I'd ditch the work corazzina myself in talking about these. I think they'd just be called pairs...

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Yikes never had one that big get stuck in my foot. That does not look good at all.

And as far as reason go to straighten up that looks like a good one to me.

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Very cool Wade! I cannot believe he is that old now! Way cool Halloween costume.

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I'm with many of you here. I'd try it for a while. I think a few months would be a good learning experience. I'd not be sure I'd want to do it a year or more though. They did something like this in the 70s with an Iron Age village for the BBC. Seemed to have worked.

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Dan, No problem. The praise is well deserved. I really love the appdx. such great and concise explanations. I wish we could get pictures made up for all these troop types. I think it'd go a long way to help see what it was really like. "There were plenty of times that I wanted to use the word "bollo...

RandallMoffett

Hmm? Most finger gaunts are leather strips with metal plates riveted to them? And I am pretty sure this finger set up is not all that different than many types of gothic gaunts. Here are some but look at the Wallace gaunts on this post http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=21487 This is ins ...

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Harry,

Thanks for the link. I saw them on my google search. Have you used them before? Looks like the carry a number of interesting things.

Kindyr,

Closest one is in Casper Wy. sadly but thanks!

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So A few weeks ago I was able to get a copy of Dan Howard's bronze Age Military Equipment book. It has been on my list of must reads for a great deal of time now. I just finished rereading it a second time and have to say I am very impressed. As those of us who have known Dan for a while know he has...

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I wonder if they sell them online. My Home Depot does not sell the big boxes, only silly little one ounce bags....

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