The Armour Archive

RandallMoffett

Princess Crow, Peasants fit into the commoner catagory. From very wealthy business owners, craftsmen and merchants to the serf class. All are commoners. You are either in the knightly/noble, clergy or common class basically. A poor peasant fighter would likely not be armoured and have only the most ...

RandallMoffett

I think the vambraces get either underdone or often much more than they should be as far as forming. The key is to get it just right. Joust I
like what you have done with it. The final piece will be great I am sure,

RPM

RandallMoffett

Look at the British Library Manuscript online.

http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/manuscripts/INDEX.asp

Look under the images online of digital listings.

Just go to advanced search and look for the years you want,

RPM

RandallMoffett

The saint Maurice that is always used as early armoured surcoat evidence comes to mind.... Pretty cool. It would be very interesting to find out the probability of someone from africa being in a german or swiss army. I smell research coming on. That would be really interesting. Thanks for the pictur...

RandallMoffett

Here is the original lining of a sallet at the churburg. You can get a fair idea of the thickness of it.

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RandallMoffett

Here is a picture (right helmet) of the padding behind a 17th century helmet check pieces. Sadly the inner lining for the skull was torn out mostly but the rest of it survived fairly well. It has some type of leather and canvas around it but we never opened the inside to see how it was constructed a...

RandallMoffett

do you know what type of peasant he portrays? Commoner is a hug group. If he is a farmer he'd likely be pretty much as is any day of the week for armour. I do not know really how the Dutch levy of that time worked. Was it common to levy peasants even etc. In england all men were required to own cert...

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I have read the article. It is a good one. I do not remember how extensive the testing on padding was.... I will have to rerequest it. If I remember right it is using the padded liners from the Wallace. Sadly when I was there last the curators were out and the people said they were the only ones to ...

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Brian, So what days are you up there at the R.A.? My graduation is that weekend but my family and I are going to make a trip to the RA to visit one of my friends there I think. It would be nice to meet up with you all, though we could only stay part of the day (5 month old son usually is our meter a...

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Christophe,

Thanks for finding them. I hope they were not too much trouble to find. I hope you do not mind me shuffling them into my picture folder for fututre use..

RPM

RandallMoffett

I agree it may not be concrete but looking at it I'd say it looks unlike any tunic I have seen in the era. As Oswyn said I cannot really see it as much else. I think the devil advocate is good though for more interpretation. We also have the story of Richard I where it gives an account of him jousti...

RandallMoffett

It is in the Norman osprey book by D. Nicolle. No other picture could be found online though..... Pity is has nice vertical lines looks thick and everything.

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RandallMoffett

Alixx, Just a quick inquiry. Where do you armour? I live in the south now, although I spend somedays wishing I was up in York as find it hard to armour in my flat. Actually impossible. Where do you do your forming for example? I ran an armoury for over a decade and am going crazy trying not armourin...

RandallMoffett

found a picture of a carved candlestick of the betrayal in San Paolo fuori la Mura, Rome that shows a padded garment under mail from 1170.

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I think if I remember right it is a type of close helm system to open.

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Yes but remember their jurisdiction ends so you would have to have a location specifically chosen, if for SCA perhaps your local lord would get a kick of having a game warden or something. In southampton they have a number of bailiffs under a sheriff all having specific areas of power. The Sheriff a...

RandallMoffett

Just something to perhaps add to the idea of padding under armour. In this pic. Jonathan has his coif down and the King Saul revealing what appears to the the padded collar of a aketon.

http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/ ... 24ra&b.gif

just like the one this guy is wearing without armour---
http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/ ... 27va&b.gif

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RandallMoffett

Nathan, the edict of La Mans 1180. It also is likely that he would not make something brand new a required item for all freemen. I figured it would need to be in large enough circulation that anyone could own one. This assize is actually much more detailed than the one issued in England. Edward III ...

RandallMoffett

nathan, the assize of arms I see. It seems Henry II did this on the continent first so it could be somewhat earlier use than 1181. As far as before the crusades I have not heard that before. Egfroth, In Byzantium what date is padded armour seem to be first used? Is it a continuation of old roman und...

RandallMoffett

typically in england which is what I am familiar with catching criminals was the sheriff of the counties responsibility and inside towns the town bailiff or sheriff along with the civic leadership. You also have a coroner (crown servant) who did likewise, usually a knight chosen for a specific durat...

RandallMoffett

Matt,

Your right, it is a samnite 450-350 BC. Sorry about that, I was not paying close enough attention. The piece to the right is a pectoral if you'd like I have the picture of it as well.

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RandallMoffett

as far as copperalloy bands the BM has about half a dozen of them from greece. Not sure what else to make of them. They looked fairly hefty but I assume not more than 1.2mm but it is hard to guess the way it is displayed. Hope this is perhaps something to get an idea of them.

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RandallMoffett

Per, just went over a few numbers because I had a second and I have not gone over the new information I got. here are the listing for 8 sallets, all 2nd half of 15th, most later than earlier. All are without bevor and are supposed german sallets. (if you would like the references I could get those a...

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Per,

how many sallets have you been able to get weights for? I would not mind comparing that info from what I have. I would think the average a bit heavier from the few I have seen closer to 2.1-2.4kg. Let me know,

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RandallMoffett

Signo, Along the lines of patterns.... In York above the chapter house there is a room where the master mason did much of his work from the elements (it rains alot there, snows are not uncommon over a few weeks). There when they were doing a site report they found the patterns drawn onto the floor f...

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Per, I have often wondered how they did that as well. As far as I know the did not have calipers so weights would have to be the means used I suppose. Having had some time to handle many medieval and early modern pieces of armour made within a short time of each other I was suprised how much heavier...

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per, that trend would certainly be true in the 16th and 17th. I was suprised the difference between the medieval and early modern thicknesses. Of course there were a few that still broke the pattern. Interesting as well is the fact that even within items made in a few years of each other they can ha...

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Wow, thanks for the response. I figure the last ones I had needed alot of coaxing to get through 3/16 so I figure I need something with more umph. Interesting the blades did not chip but the one side of the head broke at the shoulder and popped right off.... crazy. I like those ones Terry. They look...

RandallMoffett

who sells the blanks? I knew kingslance did for a time but he seemed to drop them and I though they were 16 gauge.

They look good,

RPM

RandallMoffett

Hey all I had the sadness today to have my end nipper which I use on trimming rivets break to a point where it will not be getting repaired. I am looking to get a hand tool that will trim the rivet ends but want one that will give that 120%. I want it to cut somewhat hardened metal as some times I u...

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James,

Not all of it is junk. We have many pieces that are similar to ones in it, the large half breastplate for esample that have many parallels. His configuration well it is .....

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RandallMoffett

Jeff,

Very nice suit. Is all that decoration file work? That must have taken a good file and a lot of time. Thanks for posting the pictures.

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RandallMoffett

Erik, Interesting. 'the German distinguishes the Plattenrock and the Spangenharnisch.' What is the qualifier between the two? Is Lentnerharnisch the same as Spangenharnisch (segmented/pieced harness?)? I know some people who care for armour at some collections and I have actually gotten to handle so...

RandallMoffett

Ivo, Thanks for the information. The german terms are interesting for the two items as well as the typology. I think I am looking for a Lentner- though not sure of a correct title for it or term in english. I have never heard of a different term to use in English between the two types you mentioned....

RandallMoffett

The avant suit was around 1.5-1.9mm for its backplate if what I worked out on the calculator right now is correct. To me the Avant suit has a thicker breastplate than most, in fact I had never seen one that thick, most are under 2mm on average and the backplate of it likely heavier as well. I have l...

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