The Armour Archive

RandallMoffett

MAtt, Is the info on the plates being heat treated published? I do not remember having heard this before but it would be interesting to read up on. My Lorica I was working on has come to a halt as I cannot get any bloody brass/bronze in England at a reasonable price and the local places I have check...

RandallMoffett

Wow, he has had a real tough year. Our hopes and prayers are with him and you all. Hope he makes a speedy recovery. Thanks for letting us know what going on.

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Dan, I had never thought of those before. I have heard outside europe mail reached many more variants but never dug much more on that. Erik, Thanks for the correction, I knew I had seen it recently in London.... Saves me time of going to work instead of finishing my dissertation (dang it, I think I ...

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James, I think that is correct mostly. I do believe there is a mail standard at the Wallace of 6 in 1 though but I need to look in the catalogue at work to be sure. Most of the aventails I have seen are 4 in 1 but smaller links. That could be a fairly convincing arguement as well. As far as wearing ...

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Sorry could not find the original I was working on but found my notes (sin pictures which is the shame!). British Library-Royal 14 E III f. 156v 1300-1310 BL- Cotton CLaudius D II f. 33 1300-1320 BL. Add 10292 f. 164 1310-1316 BL. Royal 2 B VII 'Queen Mary Psalter' Warner Master of the Psalter p. 66...

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Brian,

That is very good. I have saved your drawing (a very nice one at that) for future reference (I save it under your name for credit of course). The way you have it drawn makes perfect sense to me. Thanks for the info,

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RandallMoffett

From a few inventories of Scottish lords (one excellent on in London's Plea and Memeoranda rolls) I assume little to no difference in the armour between Lowland Scot and English. The highlanders may have been slightly behind if their effigies are accurate though. It seems London armourers were selli...

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Ernst, I think there are a few more men on onther folios in the Romance Alexander as well. I found my notes for the timetable and they are out of order and will post them as soon as I double check something that has caught may attention. Should be soon. Brian, thanks for the congradulations. I will ...

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Brian,

That is interesting. So how are the sliding rivets worked into this. This is news to me. Very interested.

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RandallMoffett

I think the wieght issue in part might be the using of round butted as opposed to rivetted. Just a thought as well as the ARs.

Russ,

is Usama the one who speaks of using naft on a man with the same mail armour who was basically invincible until they tourched him?

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RandallMoffett

I would think two layers of mail of 4 in 1 would be worse than one of 6 in 1. I wore a shirt of six in 1 in 18 gauge wire and it was actually not that bad. Now it was much, mcuh more rigid but not terrible. I think it is more likely to be 6 in 1 than multiple layers of mail over each other.

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RandallMoffett

I was writting an small article using illustrations and helmet development... but the dissertation caught up to me. I have a strange feeling the helm developed into the bascinet.... I know wierd. It may perhaps be that both the helm and the possible under helmet kindof merged or something but from 1...

RandallMoffett

Brian, I think Blair calls them bascinets in the early 14th and I believe that is where I adopted the term from. here is one of the many knights in the illustrations I mentioned from c.1325. m This appears clearly to me to be a bascient as it has a mid-3/4 apex, covers the right parts of the head, o...

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Ernst,

I must have posted at the same time as you....

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RandallMoffett

There were side pivoting helmets in the late 13th and early 14th from a number of illustrations I have seen (Queen MAry Psalter, Taymouth Hours to naem two main ones with many illustrations of them). It also apears in the visored 'sugar loaf' as well. There are illustrations of men in bascinet like ...

RandallMoffett

They are listed individually and seem to be something other than mail because the word they use to describe mail is different that what they use for the neck defence. I also found a number of illustrations from first two decades of the 14th with people clearly in plate gorgets and not in mail. I hav...

RandallMoffett

If I remember right the one picture of the inside is from the Churburg book and is one complete piece of leather from what I remember. I have never seen a repo made like that though.

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Very nice!

It looks like it could be very, very good for killing mamukil!

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Hammerhand,

Looks good!
Is it for SCA use?

The latin motto is fine if you went to sword.

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Alcy,

That was what I figured..

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Klaus,

Is he talking about the helmet on the right with a throat guard?

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CALIBUS,

I have not had that many problems with them but I have not found it good for 14. I have had little problem with 16 gauge down, just like you said a bit more effort.

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Erik,

have you ever worn one of the outer plate defences? I have thought about it but they look very akward. There are some early 14th references to plate throat guards and some late 13th of the same. All from France and England I am afraid that I know of.

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RandallMoffett

I have had two of the HF ones. Past 16 gauge they are a no go. I have punched through 14 but have broken teh die soon after everytime. I really just use a drill most of the time now. I have had few problems with 18 and 16 gauge you just have to go easy on them, which is a pain. Since Jurgens post of...

RandallMoffett

You said it is for non SCA purposes. Is this larp? If you are using foam weapons 18 gauge whould work well from what I have seen (I have participated with a few dagorhir and amptgaurd things). For using blunt steel it will perhaps ger tweeked but they are not to bad to fix. I would recommend against...

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Amaris10

This looks to be a late period rerebrace to me. It has the channel so the top and bottom section can turn as wel as articulation to bend. I am not a eastern armour specialist but to me thats what it looks like.

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RandallMoffett

I don't live in Scotland but in North England in Yorkshire but speaking with some Police from Leeds area they think the problem is that you can ban all sorts of bladed weapons but you cannot ban a kitchen knife (which they say is the most common blade in attacks). The idea you can take crime out of ...

RandallMoffett

Len, absolutly! There are accounts of one man of the well off landed class sending his eldest as a MEn at arms and his two younger as mounted archers. I think not one of these were knighted but the three made a good living off war as the younger sons go on to be wealthy landowners on their own. That...

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HEW,

being familar with some of the original texts I am not convinced it is more of a spelled how it sounds thing. In what the medeival french spoke it could go from the original word to spaulder easier than to spaudler in my opinion. I am not convinced but it is interesting.

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RandallMoffett

per Matthew Strickland in the GReat Warbow Both Hawkwood and Knolleys were archers to start. To be fair lower landed men participated in many places. ONe man from London fought as a man at arms, hobelar and an archer during 5 campaigns so it may not be as isolated or set as we think it is. RPM Still...

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Robyn,

Gambeson's can br tricky. Glad to hear you can scratch your arm pit!!!

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RandallMoffett

There is someone who served under Sir Knolleys but is name escapes me at this time, who started as an archer and became a knight. Most of the lower classes being made knights are men who are of the lesser landowning class and the rising merchant class. The main issues being it is expensive to be a k...

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Morgan,

Thanks! I willlook into them. Where did you get your open links? Do you have the special pliers? I was looking to get a pair but have not found anyone who still makes them either (slow going with a punch and hammer).

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morgan,

I have been looking for the same thing. I will let you know if I find one if you let me know if you find one....

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RandallMoffett

One extends over part of the back and chest as well as shoulder= pauldrons.
one covers top of the shoulder= spaulder.

RPM