The Armour Archive

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Chef, I was aware that the top draw weight was a seige crossbow as well but felt it important to show the comparison as it was listed as verses a crossbow and breastplate. I figure that 800 pound draw would be a heavy crossbow indeed on the field but I was not stating that a difference between field...

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Endre,

That is very interesting. Now when you say parallel lines is that horizontal, vertical or diagnal or does it not matter at all? Diamond patterns?
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I was under the impression from what I have seen the Janissary's did not adopt large numbers of firearms till the 16th/17th century and that the Janissary's main benefit was their composite bows then the ability to close in on a already wounded and worn down foe. Lepanto in the late 16th being an ex...

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Does that mean that sew in designs might also them increase the effecacy as opposed to just making repair work?

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Ivo or Peter,

What was your distance from the breastplate? I imagine pretty close but the video does not show.

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Ivo, I think the test shows very well that very heavy breatplate will deflect a crossbow. The only thing I would like to see is a thickness more closely matched as an average to one from the 15th century around 2mm. While it does not seem like much perhaps, there is a difference. Also the fact it is...

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depending on your store I got a punch and it had a die that broke after a year I took it in with recipt and they gave me a new one even after telling them how old it was!!! Just depends. The other store I used was less helpful in that but ordered stuff for me as well but the last shear I got was by ...

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James, Not to bag on your test but I am not sure your conclusion would hold that a 30 layered jack would stop and arrow, unless you mean from a 43 pound draw bow which is likely. If someone had twice your draw weight which is fairly likely 43 times 2 ( I think 43 for a bow used by a pro soldier not ...

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Everytime this type post comes up I answer that I have 3 in the shop and all have worked perfect, I have cut years on them 12-20 gauge mild and up to 16 SS. I have had to do some minor fixes but not many, not any on one. I got mine as a temp while I saved for a B2 but now I have little to no desire ...

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Ivo, I had assumed that the black sallets were like that but never have seen one on a person so could not be sure. Their eye slots sure were narrow though. Daniel, with that sallet though I assume it would be usable either way in a down or up position. I found a number of pictures of mostly 2nd hald...

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Daniel,

Very nice helmet. The brasswrok looks very nice and the fluting definalty adds something. Very nice helmet,

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Segeric,

it would seem easier to myself to replace the lame that is shorter. And angle grinder will take the rivets down in a few minutes easy and if you have cutters make the lame the right size and in less than 30-45 minutes it will be better than new.

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Russ,

Are you looking for western arrowheads to weigh? I perhaps could get some info if you like (the museum trust has some). I will have to call some people up if so. Agreed no more derailing the thread.......

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Andrew, While I am not sure the information I have regarding the morris-dance is 100% accurate that it started in the early 15th century in the North of England what I have been told and read finds that as its roots. Had to do mostly around Robin Hood and some other characters as well as a fool or b...

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Jehan, Glad that you were ok. I really respect you all for your bravery. I have a cousin who was shot wearing a kevlar vest, it saved his life but it only finally stopped at the kill plate and left a pretty mean bruise. He is doing well from what I can tell and this was a few years back. Peter, Holy...

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I would use the balistics gel before myself.....
Does your family know you are even thining of doing this?
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Josh, I think in part we are in accord for the most part. As I said there are a number of factors, thickness definalty qualifies. I still think that plate is not invincible to arrow or bolts for that though. As to Flodden the English seem to think the longbow won the battle for them in some cases. A...

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Josh, Not sure but the primary sources I have read indicate at Flodden at least the longbow decimated the Scots. While it does not directly claim to have killed a specific number of the armoured scots it does not say they were not killed by the longbow so I do not think it ='s plate armour invincibi...

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Cliff, Thank you for the sources I will see how fast I can get ahold of them. I have been slowly making notes on some of the groups I listed before and am trying to get an idea of the composition of the forces likely by ever two or so decades per group. Chef, That would be perfect. I will take a loo...

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Cliff,

I would love to read the article. Thanks for the post as well very interesting.

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Thanks for the info everyone looks like exactly what I have been looking for, Sasha, are you refering to the table HEW put up? I in the past have tried doing the torso lames between 2and 1/4-2 and 3/4 inch but always 7. I did make one newstead style that had 6 but it looked funny to me the way I mad...

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Thanks for the info. I am working on getting copper-alloy here in York and let me tell you even the scrap yards told me they do not sell it??? I have gone all over, the local hardware warehouse sells 26 gauge but I feel it is too thin? Well still working on it. I have made a number of loricas and ne...

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Hammerhand they look great. I have made a few if I can find pictures I will pm them to you. The only worry I have is if the rivet heads are not wide enough they could rip through the leather. The only solution is for next time if that does happen. Add a washer.... (not so attractive on the outside) ...

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Chef, I have some anglo-french and it is not too bad. If you could direct me on them I would be grateful. As far as those discrepancies.... I have seen it in England as well. If I can find indications of huge desertion or that they were never able to raise the full number I definatly will put that i...

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Duncan,

I am interested in Burgundy. The places listed I have started finding research on. Not excluding any place in Europe hopefully.

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This is in my ever evolving quest for correctness. How many torso lames were there. TRaditionally I do '7' but have been told I was wrong? I have noted some people use as little as 6 and as many as 9? ANy info? I know there are a number of types, newstead, corbridge, etc but some info would be nice....

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Konstantine, I think that is correct as well but in the SCA I have seen alot of 15th centuryish bevors made in multiple parts that do something like the falling buff. I cannot recollect any originals of this type from the 15th though, although the falling buff had to come from somewhere so maybe I a...

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All you avid primary source readers, The description says it all more or less. I am looking for good primary sources that give troops types and numbers in 15th century armies, hopefully European but near east would be interesting. I have a number from England, Italy, (Hussites,) Scotland and France ...

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Daniel, They are supposed to work both ways somewhat. The sallet was popular because it was a versitile helmet. If in mounted combat you'd likely have the helmet down if one piece or if visored that would be down. In that case you'd be using the eye slot. If your helmet does not allow that I'd compl...

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Alex,

I am just commenting as I have friends who play lacross and we have had this conversation before.

my 2cents

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There does appear to be a link between COP/Brigs and leather only construction. Some towns place them under leatherworking guilds (a number of spanish towns)while in others they are in tailor/fabric armour guilds (london- letter books), of course I read one that indicated that pouchmakers were oking...

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Except the shirt does not cover the point of your shoulder, I am not sure that the shirt is where as is in lacross. I think it covers some good areas but lacks a few as well. You can make a low profile spaulder from one piece that goes inside a tunic or something fairly easily if you wish to conceal...

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IT is true many SCA gauntlets have cuffs larger than historical but I did not think the generi-SCA-gauntlet was based of the hourglass but more milanese ones from the 15th which while the same is somewhat true, usually have larger cuffs than the hourglass guantlets, (in fact some are literally vambr...

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I do not know if it shows the transition or if it was just another type of armour availible for torso protection. There was a number of large brig plates from the Chalcis horde that were along a fine line between large brigandine plates or segmented fabric covered breastplates. I would hate to make ...

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that depends. They found some lamelar at Wisby that was likely older and then reused as it had been rivetted together. It would seem likely that lamaelar was being used, more likely in the east than west though. You could have couters as well perhaps. From the mid 13th is when you start getting more...

lorica 'segmentata' torso lames?

15th century army composition