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RandallMoffett

If we do a group order keep me posted. I'd like one.

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This effigy is likely much later but we do see solid breastplates in the 1350s. What are you looking for. Perhaps we can help.

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So both rather different in application to their respective gauntlets. I had figured that was one advantage of the gothic gaunts was the knuckle plate allowing more movement.

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Hey GP! Long time no see. Some nice work there!

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So do you think they are a type of washer? I have been looking into this topic for the 14th century and really have doubts about many notions circling around our communities of reenactors. I have to admit later 15th I would need to do far more looking to feel as comfortable but I know of some Italia...

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Tom, Is that really true for the 15th century? I have not looked at this aspect of them in great detail though so I really am not sure one way or the other. Might have to take a look at that. All I can say is the assumption on hourglass gaunts seems overly optimistic to those I have seen. And that t...

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I have the same issue. I need to find a way to make a more solid torso for my armour dummy.

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Might be best if you get someone to try it on. Hard to say at it is loose on the dummy.

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Not sure I'd say very common as most of the hourglass guants that remain lack it but it is on enough of them we can say it was in use.

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Folcric, YES! I love that one as well. I hope to make something like that in the near future. I made the pattern pieces but I have to set them up again and tape them together to see if the mock up works. Thinking of doing mine with two layers of canvas with a red velvet covering. Also thinking of do...

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Mac,

I have always loved this harness.... Still think it is amazing!

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I always took that for a very fitted aketon.

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Sounds like the tool used by Henry V's doctor for removing the arrowhead after Shrewsbury.

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I will ask a few people I know Mac. Closest I got to German was Old English sadly.

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Mac, I have heard that is the way to go from others as well. Usually I just try doing local work to be allowed fittings. As I tried to make greaves for myself it became clear that doing the back was going to be near impossible just trying to see the back of my leg as it was not always possible. And ...

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I like it!

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Keegan, A vice! Never thought of that. Though I work outside without a bench so that might be why. I tend to hammer it to shape over a 2.5" steel bar to 'twist' them. Icepocca, I think Macs comments about the variety is an interesting one. Look at people walk and you can see a huge variety in how fa...

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Not sure I like the term round for these. Rounded is better. None of the ones I have handled or seen are truly round. Though a few of those in this post are more rounded that I remembered but still not round, round but rounded. "Historically, in armor scholarship there a tendency divide all extant a...

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Mac,

I am onboard with that. I was thinking about it largely as something one does not see often in reenactment so something worthy of being done.

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Mac, I guess I am just wondering why we can assume he would have them over other options. I am fine with it being a possibility with other options but still looking at the evidence to understand the breakdown. I am thinking this is indeed the direction to go for this situation and working on some pa...

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I am indeed in some ways conflicted. I have no problem with the idea of full cuisses itself. It seems a logical and supported by enough evidence to seem pretty solid. How common and the specifics of them is where I have my greatest concerns. To a certain degree I am distrustful of art especially whe...

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Tom, Interesting that is an Italian one. I am noticing that in art there is indeed far more than I had assumed. That said still odd how we have a fair mix in art of full cuisses and partial cuisses but nothing from remains. Here are the best ones I found. http://manuscriptminiatures.com/media/manusc...

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You can do it! Looks like it is turning out excellently!

RPM

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That could certainly be. There is a great degree of similarity isn't there.

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So are you thinking they used leather here as a hinge James?

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Not seeing any evidence of hinges on the Chartres cuisses. Am I missing something? I see what looks to be some rivets with leather or fabric under them.

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Mac,

You can sort of get the angle at the back as it looks like the center back there survived. Must have given them something of an idea of the angle. Couldn't be a sharp angled backpoint or the back would be the wrong angle.

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So would half plate then be a good in between. That might be one reason why there are so many remaining of this nature and no full plate ones. I have never ridden with full cuisses so I cannot say for sure.

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Page 38- 'Despite the use of mail sleeves, paunce and collars, complete mail shirts or habergeons 9lorice) continue to be made, and seem largely to have been issued to lower grade troops such as the crews of ships, but also to men-at-arms." I think his point is that the mail shirts were largely issu...

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Those are neat. Neat you have found so many of them. I bet they are useful for all sorts for things!

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Tom,

Thanks for the heads up. I will have to look more. Still trying to decide on full cuisses or not as well.

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Sean, That is undoubtedly true. The issue is keeping fidelity. It is only a hop, skip and jump to fantasy in many respects in reenactment. A good point though. I still wish we knew more about the mail bits largely found from Thom Richardson's PhD. I am just not convinced those in plate harness all w...

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It is interesting. I was looking for decoration on greaves and seriously there was not much I came across. It is always neat to see new things. I wonder if these have hinges on them under the leather or if the leather acts as the hinge?

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That is a good point. I am not happy with my full cuisse pattern I made but now I need to think some more on what side to put the hinges.

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Seems odd. Usually hinges are on the outside.

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