The Armour Archive

RandallMoffett

Oh. Got it. I saw quite a few guys but was not sure who we were looking at.

RandallMoffett

Yes you see it in manuscripts as well but not only for the English but all over. I guess my question is increasingly.... in art it usually is all done one way, all with the rear covering cuisse plate or not. Why do we see in general a wide number of cuisses (granted not English) but none have anythi...

RandallMoffett

James,

There are some cuisses from this period but as far as armour made for English client or in England, true not sure I can think of any that are for sure from there.

RandallMoffett

Mac, I looked through all the imagines I have from the RA from 14th and 15th and none have anything besides a half or 1/3 rear plate for the cuisses. Many only have the small single or double plate on the outside of the cuisses. If I have time I will try finding some good photos of this but there ar...

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Mac, That was sort of my thoughts on art as well from art. What about the physical remains? As I am looking at the cuisses from the period it also seems full cuisses are not as well represented either. A very interesting thing trying to figure out how common such items were. I think I will go ahead ...

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So I am looking over English art to get a feeling on the back plates on cuisses. My main focus was seeing how many had any, how many had partial rear/back plates and how many would have full back plates. I am leaning toward half plates from the art I am seeing it seems a valid choice but many do see...

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Thanks Tom. I was hoping for an inside shot to see hoe the overlap works between the various layers.

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Any pictures of the inside of that one by Jeff? Looks awesome!

I have always admired the version that Mac made for Will as well.

Some excellent reproductions of these.

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I will have to look into a rust inhibitor as well. Thanks for your comments Harry!

Must be interesting to see that scuba tank cleaner go. Does it clunk around a great deal?

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RandallMoffett

Plenty of art shows either case was done as well as both inside and outside, at least by my estimation.

The two surviving vambraces all have splints on the outside but very thin and places one next to the other.

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I know people who have but I have not. I am thinking about it as my one shirt is getting rather rusty.

Thanks for the tip with entire submersion.

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Mac,

But how often do they really show up in art? Could this not correlate to how often they come up in text? I think the other collar type neck defenses seem far more common from what I am seeing.

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We got the base model. I think the travel kit was just the nicer box if I remember right.

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We got one. It works very well. I have to say so far we've sewn two tents and who knows how many other items and it works great and I'd get one again if this thing did not look like it will last two of three lifetimes.

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RandallMoffett

I was going to guess mid 16th but 3rd is likely more accurate. Mac, It reminds me of some of the odd dots and such I have seen on armours that likely tie to assembly. It could be on the other side of these plates are some coding system. Just a possible way to organize it. Either way sounds like much...

RandallMoffett

Sean, That is ok. Seemed there was some question on comitis and its meaning. Neat they have all these online now. I should point out when I said first created above I meant in relation to Duke of Lancaster. Prince Edward was made Duke of Cornwall in 1337. First medieval Duke, though you have some ro...

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Sean, There is not a Duke of Lancaster in the 13th century. It is first created by Ed III for his friend Henry Grosmont, the Earl of Lancaster. It was 1351. I think we are pretty safe with the term Earl here. Will, Fantastic experiment. I will have to try some of them sometime. Will have to wait for...

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What are the best sources for sunforger canvas?

I am interested in something like that as well Losthelm. Breathable fabric is nice but not getting drenched is important as well.

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Ernst, Looks like you found them. I'd have hard time following braided anything. I have heard the wool argument. The issues are. First they would have to show that cotton covered raw wool which would be interesting but we know generally the terms for raw cotton. Second is we have examples of cotton ...

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Russ,

I'd like to see a summary of archery technics. Sounds like a great read.

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Ernst,

Agreed. Seems recently cotton has been assumed to be less common but not sure why. Much of what I have seen is either plant material or some nature including cotton inside textile/padding.

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RandallMoffett

Neat. Keep me posted when it goes live.

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Will have to watch it sometime. Thanks Eric!

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BA,

Just saw that and was going to post it.

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Cliff,

It is on my list of reads as well. I'll let you know if I get to it.

I'll keep my eyes open for Kelly's book as well.

Looks like a neat project Cliff. Is this the update it talks about on the website you are working on?

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Mac,

I think that the term changes. Standards show up all the time through the mid to late 15th in inventories all over. It also may be that in some places I am less familiar pizanes remain in use, like Italy, in this period.

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Cliff,

Is this from his Edward III and the Victory of England or something like that? Does he really indicate they chained the wagons together in front of the battles?

I had plans to get to reading it sometime. What did you think of it?

Is Kelly doing this with the De Re journal?

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RandallMoffett

And the fact that factually the rebuttal asserts incorrect historic evidence. They both seems to have an odd concept that missed that archery is not one culture but many.

I find the back and forth on this rather funny. I was just impressed the guy could shoot that fast.

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RandallMoffett

An interesting thought Mac. Most of the brigs I have seen that are original 15th seemed to have a very similar shape to other torso defenses of the period in proportion, though I only got to see a few in person inside and outside. It was interesting to see the really long torso defenses of the later...

RandallMoffett

Sure. Just depends on the use and user. We have people who have worn the liners in rebated and such for years and been fine. I did as well, still use that helmet and liner at times. I have played around with a liner that has reinforced padding in select spaces but it still is in its infancy. Having ...

RandallMoffett

Dang I am slow. I know someone interested in a new shirt. Do you have any close up shots on the mail to see the links clearly Jestyr?

Thanks,

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RandallMoffett

With the one having a large solid backplate would be a neat early date for these armours but as it is likely singular from what I am seeing in art makes me wonder a bit. Neat article though. Some more thinking to do for sure before I make my late 14th harness.

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RandallMoffett

I have found most liners I have seen have been plant material as well. I suspect they used a number of materials. ONe I looked at seemed to be very raw cotton. Even had little pod bits in it. I use cotton more or less for this. Helmet liners get a mix of more compressed and somewhat more fluffy laye...

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Jehan,

I hope all is well with you and your family. Just saw this post.

The harness is awesome indeed. Saw it in person. Some excellent work.

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I have something new up for you!

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