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- Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:04 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: scrapyard steel
- Replies: 17
- Views: 586
Re: scrapyard steel
Stainless can be slightly magnetic, especially in the 400 series. Stainless weighs the same as mild until the 3rd decimal place. Depending on alloy it can weigh more OR less than mild. Unless you are measuring to 1/1000 accuracy you will not be able to use it to identify the alloy. 400 series and 17...
- Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:40 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tempering temp for 1075?
- Replies: 41
- Views: 574
Re: Tempering temp for 1075?
What do you all think of immersing parts in molten table salt for heating prior to quenching? Steve I think you are confusing certain techniques here. The liquid salt is used AS THE QUENCH and the temper all in one. Rather that heating to 1800F then quenching below 100 then tempering to 600 you do ...
- Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:31 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: dishing quandry
- Replies: 21
- Views: 499
Re: dishing quandry
Cops rarely know the laws they enforce. They get a product complaint, they drive by to see if there is something like gunfire or construction without a permit, issue some tickets and go. It's up to the lawyers to figure out if the tickets were valid but most people will pay them because it's cheaper...
- Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:01 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Heat coloring steel
- Replies: 15
- Views: 390
Re: Heat coloring steel
The color doesn't flake off but it can be sanded off and it still rusts so if you have to sand off rust you loose the color. Still has some nice effects if done in a controlled way.

Sean

Sean
- Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:58 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tempering temp for 1075?
- Replies: 41
- Views: 574
Re: Tempering temp for 1075?
IIRC, and I think I said so on this board back when I was doing this sorta research (and Gruber said it lined up with his experience) is creep and thermal effects double in time requirement for every 30 degrees, I believe it was. Tempering is governed by the Arrhenius equation http://en.wikipedia.o...
- Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:03 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Historical blacksmith's ear protection
- Replies: 21
- Views: 510
Re: Historical blacksmith's ear protection
IIRC "A Complaint Against Blacksmiths" mentions "deafening with their din"; 14th CE However just like there is little regulation of people deafening themselves with ear plugs on their personal music devices or loud music at concerts, occupational disabilities were rather expected. Wax was a fairly ...
- Sat May 31, 2014 2:37 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: some opinions on chest plate width.
- Replies: 15
- Views: 295
Re: some opinions on chest plate width.
Your question should be: Are you interested in wearing medieval armor where if the armor intercepts the weapon it keeps you alive or are you interested in medieval-looking armor for a sport of stick tag where if the armor intercepts the weapon you are still dead? I ask because the purpose of medieva...
- Tue May 27, 2014 11:43 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Note to self....12g Stainless
- Replies: 20
- Views: 578
Re: Note to self....12g Stainless
Not unless the dies are fresh and sharp and even then not so much.
- Fri May 23, 2014 7:33 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Close helm confusion
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2295
Re: Close helm confusion
while looking at the different gorgets, I noticed that one of them has a large gap between two of the plates: http://www.allenantiques.com/images/A-25-right.jpg . it is present on the right side, where it opens, but not on the left where it hinges. is this gap just a result of time, or was it made ...
- Thu May 22, 2014 1:56 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Trip to the Met in NYC, June 22nd
- Replies: 0
- Views: 57
Trip to the Met in NYC, June 22nd
Trip to the Met in NYC, June 22nd Hello, John Gruber from the Surly Anvil was headed up for a visit after Wades armor party so I was thinking about a trip to the armor room at the Met. He lands aprox noon on Sunday June 22nd so we would probably be there around 1:00 after parking and traffic BS. Any...
- Thu May 22, 2014 1:15 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Study Session - North Carolina, June 21-22 2014
- Replies: 184
- Views: 1986
Re: Study Session - North Carolina, June 21-22 2014
Unfortunately Gruber is getting in around noon. Hopefully he brings a book that will last him until 7pm. I'm bartering plane-tickets for armor and the evening flights were just too expensive or were only later because they had 5 hour layovers in Atlanta. Everyone have fun without me. No vacation tim...
- Thu May 22, 2014 11:19 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Beds
- Replies: 55
- Views: 1288
Re: Beds
I've got to imagine that the joiner did not go to the turner to get a bed and the turner did not go to the joiner for a bed, not when both could make a chair or a table. Perhaps the turner might go to the joiner for planed flats for the deck but even then they do not need to be square with straight ...
- Thu May 22, 2014 9:54 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Study Session - North Carolina, June 21-22 2014
- Replies: 184
- Views: 1986
Re: Study Session - North Carolina, June 21-22 2014
Holy crap!! I just received word that I CAN attend! I really need to see and feel some real armour and get an education... The only downside is I have to ask for a ride from Raleigh/Dunam airport to Wade's (or share/split a hotel with someone) Friday night. Plane lands at 8:00pm. Please, if anyone ...
- Thu May 22, 2014 7:00 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: removable klapplvisor hinge
- Replies: 13
- Views: 361
Re: removable klapplvisor hinge
so something kinda like this that would be real easy it looks like a 1/4 inch u bolt and some bent over flat stock Pretty much yes. The one I remember had the bent barstock welded to the grill because it was the same barstock the grill was made from and the flat stock riveted to the helmet but it g...
- Wed May 21, 2014 8:26 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: The Met has opened it collection of digital photos
- Replies: 26
- Views: 829
Re: The Met has opened it collection of digital photos
Still waiting on photos of the one I want. I want to know what's UNDER this visor. The etching implies a period bar-grill for at least an exchange piece if not underneath. http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t239/Eliz-Rivenstar/Seans%20Shop/Photo0035.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t239/Eliz-R...
- Wed May 21, 2014 8:07 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: removable klapplvisor hinge
- Replies: 13
- Views: 361
Re: removable klapplvisor hinge
I think Mad Matt introduced us to the simplest center hinge of all. It was a piece of 1/4" round stock bent in a [ shape and welded to the top of the bar-grill or top of the pig-face. Then a piece of 1" flat stock was rolled into a J shape and riveted to the top. It's not a period solution but neith...
- Wed May 21, 2014 8:02 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Summer Project Madness: Resizing my Bascinet!!
- Replies: 12
- Views: 272
Re: Summer Project Madness: Resizing my Bascinet!!
Doable? Quite possibly. An efficient plan? I doubt it. If the helm was a perfect circle or perfect oval then if you removed a perfect width gap then the edges will like up. In reality no shape made by hand is perfect so when you cut out the center the two edges may be forward or back by a MM or 2. T...
- Mon May 19, 2014 10:18 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Blacksmith Leathers
- Replies: 11
- Views: 395
Re: Blacksmith Leathers
Apron yes, bracer now... but I wish I had on Saturday. The ember stuck on what was supposedly 100% cotton. %$^^&(ing cheap chineese made imitation crap. It self extinguised so it's mostly cotton flanel but a leather bracer would have been better.
Please post a pick when you get something.
Sean
Please post a pick when you get something.
Sean
- Mon May 19, 2014 8:33 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How to trim steel rivets
- Replies: 21
- Views: 439
Re: How to trim steel rivets
Chisel and a hardened steel plate sounds like a PITA to me. Also loud. Best cutter I ever used was for titanium rods rather than rivets. 2 hardened steel disks with slightly offset holes in a pipe. 1 disk is held by a long arm and the second is turned by a wrench. 2 feet of level arm. Shear point ju...
- Mon May 19, 2014 8:16 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Armour proof test 2
- Replies: 38
- Views: 1469
Re: Armour proof test 2
They actually used that word in a movie? I just made it up as shorthand for all the magic things that they use in Hollywood. Unfortunately they did. It's a slang term used by just about every engineering deptment to indicate that the customer is expecting something unachieveable. Unobtanium, Star-T...
- Fri May 16, 2014 2:09 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Great helm found in Moravia?
- Replies: 34
- Views: 1216
Re: Great helm found in Moravia?
If not same shop then close enough to represent transfer of knowledge and style. Could be master and appretice or master and apprentices apprentice or it could just be the current local fashion. If I found 2 tunics with the same cut and style I wouldn't assume same seamstress/tailor. Form does follo...
- Fri May 16, 2014 11:13 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Trim-lok
- Replies: 17
- Views: 561
Re: Trim-lok
OK, I have some samples of the trim-lok in question. I would not recommend using them to reinforce a plywood shield. The construction is 'staples' of aluminum that are .025" thick and only .125" wide. There is about .040" of rubber seperating the staples as well as the rubber that encapsulates the s...
- Fri May 16, 2014 10:32 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
- Replies: 186
- Views: 8840
Re: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
I am surprised that the experimental work with the visor stake has not elicited more commentary. I expected a lively discussion, but all I hear is crickets. Mac I'm interested but from a purely academic standpoint. For starters the cost of a properly made dopple excedes my budget for a helmet by a ...
- Thu May 15, 2014 3:56 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How to trim steel rivets
- Replies: 21
- Views: 439
Re: How to trim steel rivets
Dremel also works. Cut part way through and gran the tip with pliars while hot and bend/twist off.
Sean
Sean
- Wed May 14, 2014 1:59 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing Help Please
- Replies: 26
- Views: 406
Re: Dishing Help Please
So should i use the deadblow for the dishing itself? also will a dishing stump cut it for the 11 gauge or is it a lost cause? If you have a lot of job/life stress to take out on the metal then it might work but it's far from efficient. I wouldn't use plastic or dead-blow anything on 11ga. I'd use s...
- Wed May 14, 2014 9:26 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Price check: 41x2.5" T-stake.
- Replies: 11
- Views: 263
Re: Price check: 41x2.5" T-stake.
While I am a self admitted tool hoarder and have spent far more in tools than I will ever recover in armor savings... I have decided that the budget won't let me purchase this. I have too many other sources of out-flow that need to get covered first. If anyone is interested the stake it is being sol...
- Wed May 14, 2014 8:20 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dishing Help Please
- Replies: 26
- Views: 406
Re: Dishing Help Please
darn332, Can you be more specific on location? United States[edit] Charlotte County, Florida Charlotte, Iowa Charlotte, Maine Charlotte, Michigan Charlotte, New Jersey Charlotte, New York, a town in Chautauqua County Charlotte, Rochester, New York, a neighborhood Charlotte, North Carolina Charlotte,...
- Wed May 14, 2014 7:57 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Rust Prevention Test v2
- Replies: 81
- Views: 2259
Re: Rust Prevention Test v2
If I had to speculate on the gray color of the Eezox: vegtable based oils can become saturates with water and the water forms little droplets like bubbles captured in the oil/wax. It looks like a soapy residue and can be a source of discoloration. I don't know if this will then dry out later or wipe...
- Tue May 13, 2014 2:23 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
- Replies: 186
- Views: 8840
Re: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
Sean, I started with the thing bolted on with #5-40 screws, but that was a display of unaccustomed optimism. They sheared very quickly. Just changing to 1/8" rivets almost worked. I am pretty sure that moving up to 5/32" rivets would do the trick. This is really the same sort of thing that happens ...
- Tue May 13, 2014 1:31 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
- Replies: 186
- Views: 8840
Re: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
The first was a propensity for the temporary rivets to shear out as the work cooled between heats. This could be solved easily enough by using slightly heavier rivets than my 1/8" favorites. The other problem was that of how to hold onto the stake. It clearly needs to be mounted somehow, but I just...
- Mon May 12, 2014 8:04 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Study Session - North Carolina, June 21-22 2014
- Replies: 184
- Views: 1986
Re: Study Session - North Carolina, June 21-22 2014
I'm considering something borderline insane as it concerns plane tickets. What time do you think things will start on Saturday?
- Mon May 12, 2014 6:00 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
- Replies: 186
- Views: 8840
Re: Bascinet prototype and "can" or "house" construction
There is an entire hobby devoted to 12" action figures (not GI Joe) I will check out the estate auctions to see what I can find. And there is also a large one dedicated to 24" tall ball-joint dolls. they have a better range of mobility and tend to be human 'perfection' proportion rather than toy pr...
- Mon May 12, 2014 5:23 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Price check: 41x2.5" T-stake.
- Replies: 11
- Views: 263
Re: Price check: 41x2.5" T-stake.
That is a good price for one 2.5" wide, but the shipping is gonna kill ya. Hal It's close enough I can pick it up on a lunch break or after work. :) I have a lot of other things that should get money first but opportunities like this are rare and I would hate to miss it if this was a reasonable pri...
- Mon May 12, 2014 1:36 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Price check: 41x2.5" T-stake.
- Replies: 11
- Views: 263
Price check: 41x2.5" T-stake.
Hello, A friend notified me of an armor tool for sale not far from me. Unfortunetly it seems like the owner knows what he has. I'm trying to decide if this is a reasonable price. 41" long, 2.5" wide, 75lbs. He wants $175. I'm waffling. Fool to buy it at this price or fool to pass it up? Or fool for ...
- Mon May 12, 2014 12:55 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Thun Sketchbook Image #44 discussion
- Replies: 49
- Views: 7077
Re: Thun Sketchbook Image #44 discussion
OK. It looks like that's where the little gold colored flowers go , but I don' understand what it is that they do . Mac How does this style of pauldron connect to the breastplate? If laced (unlikely but the elbows are still pointed in place) could these some how protect the lacing? And if it's a po...
