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Wire for mail is cheap. Butted mail is easy to learn for some and beats no mail as far as appearance. The use of a sleeved surcoat alleviates the need for mail outside the forearms and pisane collar. A spun top with grill can be painted up as a cervelliere if it's easier to obtain or make than a gre...

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Hardly. Couters = OF coute = modern Fr. coude (elbow) now pronounced cood, so cooters? vs. ME spelling cowters pronounced as it's spelled? Problem being we really aren't sure how OF or ME was pronounced. I'm settling for " cow -ters," primarily because the word's timehonored enough to be thoroughly...

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Figure 170 - Supposedly the cut goes from right tibia to left, and Thordeman gives it as an exemplar of "berserker rage". I suspect leverage from a pole arm makes more sense, mechanically.

http://io.ua/13608263p

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On the Facebook 14th century Armor group AA's Gusto (Augusto) and PartsAndTechnical (Andrew) were discussing Goll Ref_arm 1561's tube vervelles. The inside of the helmet looks like a plain shank, and the tubes look like they have an open split at the bottom. Inspired by Mac's soldering experiments f...

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There's one fellow who lost both feet from a single cut through both shins.

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Armourkris wrote: Also i need to remake my greaves into something I can comfortably wear

http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the ... arch/35945

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Hardly. Couters = OF coute = modern Fr. coude (elbow) now pronounced cood, so cooters? vs. ME spelling cowters pronounced as it's spelled? Problem being we really aren't sure how OF or ME was pronounced.

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And a drawplate for iron wire. The mail guy is happy.

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No information on where the traces of paint are located, color, etc.?

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Almost everything in Gerhard's post is amazing.

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Richardson's thesis gives the 1344 receipt from Mildenhall which includes j galea de veteribus armis Anglie depicta , one helmet painted with the old (pre-1340) arms of England. This is likely a flat-topped great helm or sugarloaf following the style of the late 13th century. http://manuscriptminiat...

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The Harnessfechten participants at Lysts on the Lake (photo credit Lauren Zinn). That's me with the torn surcoat on the right. Therion's to the left of me making me look like a midget :) And Scott Wilson (SCA Sir Brian Mac Brand, G.A.) of Darkwood Armory with longsword in center. http://i449.photob...

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http://www.therionarms.com/pictures/therion-none-shall-pass.jpg VERY Inspirational Kit!! :mrgreen: :shock: :mrgreen: . . . with that kit, the shoes make the baby jesus cry :sad: Then baby jesus should make turnshoes and hand them out like loves and fishes. And cure the knock-knee look.

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(You know I'm going to ask about the mail. LOL)

Is this the Rudolph IV haubergeon?
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7VQpDd ... edit?pli=1

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A75 from the Vienna Rustkammer? I don't think Tom has a separate thread just for the hooks, so I suspect it's in the right place. I've bear as much responsibility as anyone for derailing the thread from standards alone.

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Looks like a collar on a shirt rather than a standard/pisane/gorget of mail.

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Eckhart1966 e-mailed me four photographs which I placed in imgur.
http://imgur.com/a/VrSYx#0

All riveted construction, and I've seen worse corrosion. Perhaps he can provide some measurements and better views of the inside of the rivet join after he gets a chance to clean it.

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What characteristics are you seeing which leads you to believe it's European? Wedge rivets, all-riveted construction, "watershed" at the overlap, etc. might be good indicators, but as others have said some good close-in photos showing a dozen rings or so would be helpful.

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Actually, the chaston and clavon are listed as 76 pair (Lxxvi par), so undoubtedly one for each participant and one for his horse. Hoppedemery is possibly a place name rather than occupation.

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I asked about this very effigy some years ago, and got a response from a local that the head is now detached from the effigy, which is very worn. It's possible that this is some sort of fauld-like arrangement, but I was also informed that the mail bits on the skirt looked as though they had been app...

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Certainly the artwork through the 1330s seems to show bascinets with rounded tops. The primary difference seems to be that bascinet skulls are raised from a single piece, where sugarloafs are composed of multiple, likely riveted, plates. Some of the Chalcis helmets and later great bascinets start bl...

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Thanks for sharing the page, Tom. Love the pierce-work shoes on that FB site, as well. I'm wondering if there is another way to explain the manuscript images with those long vertical lines? If they were only on the cuff I might have thought they were some sort of quilted textile defense, but when co...

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I keep mulling around the idea that "sugarloaf" helmets have varying constructions which can be categorized. I first brought this up on My Armoury on another topic, but feel it might be expanded upon. http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=29933 The categorization of "sugarloaf" is broad, cov...

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Greg, Perhaps the 4 holes should hold a sort of crest-box which the base of the fan can be pinned too. I suppose it could be made out of wood. See Chuck Davis' post - http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177052 https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7511/16303332342_fd36aa3b6d_o.jpg ht...

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Look at the surviving holes in the Madeln I top plate. Presumably there would have been a symmetrically placed one in the corrosion as well. Did you notice the base of the Luttrell crest? Madeln I.jpg You might not have to punch all new holes for the suspension brow-band. Maybe you could dual-purpos...

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I can't find any sculptural or artistic evidence for any lining inside great helms -- only the usual suspension system. I agree those side pairs would work well for a pair of horns, but the later crest attributed to the the Matsch from Churburg has the horns attached to a leather cap. https://s-medi...

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That is what I was thinking as well. There is a third pair on the back side of the helmet that I'm not sure about. I have to look at my documentation but I think that the third pair is fairly low towards the junction of the rear back plates. Yes, vertically arranged. The side pairs straddle the joi...

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God, that's going to take a lot of leaf. Maybe you should consider going back to my old cheat of using aluminum foil for silver leaf?

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We discussed later great helms' suspension systems in this thread. http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177428 I think the later sculptural evidence shows the standard suspension attached to a brow band, and I have no reason to doubt this was the standard system used in earlier...

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I don't think you'll find any prior to c.1230-1250.

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Jason, I'm fairly confident the paired holes in the bei Dargen are for a crest and not a lining, as some have suggested.

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Go for the gold, then.

P.S. And don't forget the ailettes, since you've got the leather out.

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I suppose it depends on the rank of the portrayal. Is the surcoat silk or carda?

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The earlier Ee.3.59 manuscript of 1250-1260 has both peacock eyes at the top of the helm, and an eagle crest (on the falling figure to the far right, here rotated) on folio 32v.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4450/10077/

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The purchase rolls for the Tournament at Windsor Park in 1278 notes crests made of calfskin, one each for man and horse. If these were of the commonly illustrated fan-type, I suppose the skin would be stretched over wooden or wire frames before being painted. It is possible that the calfskin was mol...

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