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Edit: 24 ga => ~ .25mm?? I could go through that with an axe like it wasn't even there. Am I missing something? Is it certain that these weren't dress armors or something? Russ, I really understand your sentiment, as I hear it each and every time I suggest using 24 gauge for scale. However, let's l...

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Is anyone here well read in the cycle of chansons concerning Guillaume d'Orange? Brent Hanner was kind enough to post an early flail image for me on the Yahoo "75years" board. The miniature is identified from the publisher as coming from the late 13th century "Moinage de Guillaume", Trivulziana 1025...

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This scale is 20ga stainless it tips the scale at 43 pounds and the scales are now 20 years old. Sven has to do regular maintainace on it to keep from shedding to mutch. m Steinolf This is interesting, and has potential to be of use. I think the parallels in weight to a butted mail shirt are surpri...

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Bran, There's quite a bit to respond to here, so please bear with me. I hardly qualify as an expert on scale armor, though I have tinkered with gauntlets, aventails, and mantles. Perhaps Matthew Amt could refer you to someone in Roman reenactment who has made a whole corselet. I doubt that any type ...

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"No sh*t! There I was..."

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Wil, I've got several scans showing armor from the manuscript (BN Fr. 2090-2), unfortunately they are all black and white. I'll be glad to forward them to you if you like. A couple of online color pictures are available. The first is on the Web Gallery of Art m Just do a search for French manuscript...

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Hi Mark! It's good to see you here. 4) To be honest some of the tailoring appears to help and other attempts seem to be more because that was they way you would do it for cloth. I wonder how much of this was "mail fashion" and how much was needed to allow mail to be worn over the fashionable contemp...

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This subject has been discussed literally ad nauseum on places like SFI. The general rule is that swords will not cut plate armor. The variables are these; use from horseback, metallurgy of sword & armor, physiologic factors (adrenalin, Arnold Schwarzenegger physique), artistic convention etc. If yo...

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Don't lay out cash for a fancy inlaid board. Ruling and painting the squares is more likely the norm.

http://games.rengeekcentral.com/F03Rchessintro.html

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I'm not sure what would classify as a Norman genre. You are certainly free to use non-heraldic decoration on you shield copied directly from the Tapestry, and you can dress up your encampment with pennons from the same or other contemporary sources. Any registered heraldry is a personal identifyer, ...

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"Gone Like Frank Sinatra Gone Like Elvis and his mom (Gone) Like Al Pacino's cash Nothing lasts in this life Gone" -- Switchfoot Really? Five minutes on Google researching a subject I know nothing about says this effigy is GONE -- didn't survive Henry VIII's dissolution. m 1. Searched image.google.c...

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No. Sorry. Dagging the 4:1 edges in a zig-zag pattern was used sometimes, as was adding a few rows of latten rings (still in 4:1).

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To clarify, Wisby #25 was an old lamellar armor which had been riveted to a cover to resemble a more modern coat of plate. The rivets are not evenly spaced in the rows, leading one to believe the lamellar was salvage. Perhaps the local knowledge on how to repair the lacing was non-existant, or the l...

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There is a literary reference as far back as the 12c, in a couple of Bertrand de Born's poems. m The line "Massas e brans, elms de color" --Maces and brands (swords), helms of color-- regretably doesn't tell us how the color was applied. Paint would be my best guess too, but it could be colored clo...

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This was recently discussed on Firestryker, where Anders provided the most helpful link back here. m The style is certainly reasonable for Wisby. Compare the bucklers from Bodley MS 264, fo. 109r --the "Romance of Alexander" from c. 1344. (BIG FILE) m 16"-22" seems a reasonable diameter based on lat...

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There are references in the 14th century concerning the covering of basinets and various types of plate armor with leathers. There are numerous depictions of colored great helms and of helms with heraldic charges or patterning. In addition to the Manesse Codex, the Weingarten codex shows a number of...

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The Wisby finds included a pair of "armored shoe" plates attached with rivets. I don't think 1370 is too late for various scale coverings either. I'm sure Erik can provide some effigies to back that. I've got an English stained glass "sleeping guard" figure which shows a series of non-articuated cur...

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How soon we forget!

http://www.arador.com/discforums/index. ... topic=1742

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You are correct that the bascinet is not an option for the first half of the 13th century. To reiterate what T-Bob has said, coats-of-plate only begin to appear aroud 1250. If you really want to aim for an historic appearance more typical of 1200-50, a cuirie or aketon over mail is much more likely.

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The fragment was excavated in 1979 in a ditch outside a Severan (193-235ad) fort in Carpow, Perthshire, Scotland. The bronze scales are attached to a coarse linen two-over-one twill with stitching threads of linen yarn. The scales are attached to their horizontal neighbors with loose wire rings, and...

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Egfroth,

Michael Simkins references a survivng Roman scale armor with stitching and backing fabric intact. The surviving piece is a collar fragment from Sotland IIRC. I'll be glad to look it up if you're interested in what type of linen is used for the backing and such.

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www.ancientlamps.com

These folks used to make a green glazed Crusader era lamp. Perhaps you could inquire as to late medieval designs.

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Konstantin the Red wrote:I can't recall any instance of a full-on, three-dimensional crest being set on anything of the bascinet era but a greathelm.

There are some examples of 3-D crested bascinets in Cpg 359, Rosengarten von Worms, a c.1420 manuscript from Strassburg. Here are a few examples.

http://www3.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/ebind/ ... 359074.jpg

http://www3.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/ebind/ ... 359083.jpg

http://www3.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/ebind/ ... 359108.jpg

http://www3.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/ebind/ ... 359113.jpg

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Perhaps a rare earth magnet?

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Wyrmspleen,

The dating is almost certainly late 14th century. Royal 20 C.VII can be found here:

http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishli ... earchinput

The shelfmark is of course "Royal 20 C.VII". This was previously discussed at

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=29840

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Destichado, I see you're from Kentucky. One of the tools we used in school demonstrations to show equivalence was to tell school kids, "Pretend our state is a medieval country." This actually works well for a state about Kentucky's size. The Governor would be the King, the Cabinet would be Dukes and...

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If they have not provided goods to paying customers, why would they provide pay to contracters supplying goods?

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Lyonnete, Randall Storey's thesis "Technology and Military Policy in England, c. 1250-1350" gives one example in chapter six. m "As late as 1297 men on watch in London were required to wear a gambeson and an aketon, and the aketon was assigned in addition to the hauberk in the national assessments o...

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The "Malta" to whom you refer are commonly known as the Hospitallers. Being a monastic order following the rule of Benedict, their robes were black, and they used a white cross. A Papal exemption allowed the brother knights to first wear a red surcoat in 1259 while others continued to wear black unt...

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For what it's worth, someone on SFI brought up the topic, and reference was given for a 13th century document. This is published in John Hewitt's "Ancient Armour & Weapons", i. 127. which is reportedly a reprint of a very dated 19th cetury text. The primary reference is for a 13th century gambeson, ...

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2. Any thoughts you may have relating to fluffy padding vs. layered fabric quilting in aketons? This thread seems to not be dead yet. I have posted about my revelation at Arador, but thought it best to bring this thread up as well. It seems odd how we have the same sources and have discussed them b...

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Most of us still understand the difference between pets (dogs and cats which live in the home and are named) and livestock suiatable for slaughter. We don't understand as well the use of companion working animals like plow horses, hunting dogs, or mousers (barn cats), I suspect pelts gleaned from su...

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If you seriously want to do 1180's, you won't get an enclosed heaume. Sugarloafs are very much a late 13th/ mid-14th century helm. You'll get a domed, conical, or phrygian top, usually with a nasal, and you'll have to cover your face with bars and cover the rigid neck plates with mail to be both leg...

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8-9oz, leather is pretty thick stuff. My feeling i that you should use a larger scale, perhaps 1 1/2" x 2" or so. I don't know if sewing is any safer than riveting, but sewing seems to have been the preferred method before about 1300 with riveting (nailing) being possible with contemporary brigandin...

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Most likely the golden Imperial flag was a cloth-of-gold banner painted or emboidered with the Imperial black eagle. Flags of the World gives an heraldicly piss-poor example of the Imperial arms here: m A good example of the Emperor's arms in use can be seen in the very late 12th century 'Liber ad h...

Guillaume d'Orange Cycle

Re: On tailoring etc.

Re: Aketon/gambeson padding question