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Ernst

The Grandes Chroiques, Fr. 73 is available online. If you find the image in question let us know.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/

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1. I concur that you should use a contemporary shirt pattern. A quick search for "I. Marc Carlson" should bring all you need. Using such a pattern with gores in the skirt and historic sleeve patterns will also answer your question #3. The front and back can be cut in one piece, which gives a square ...

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"I can confirm that the image is in the Bibliotheqe Nationale de France and does depict the 1358 peasant revolt. JC" Sadly, this is really not much help. Not surprisingly, the National Library of France (BNF) contains many books and manuscripts, so unless he provides a catalog number and folio, or ...

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The arming coif looks too thick for a single layer of wool: would you care to share construction details? As a note on Maciejowski examples, it seems those worn under mail have no brow band, like your example, while those shown over mail almost always do.

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I agree that 20g is useful in small scales. I have made scale aventails with the scales about 1" x 1.5" that seem to hold up on a flexible base.

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The weapon is a Faussart. Where did you find the name for it? Where/what is your documention. I'm not challenging you, just curious. Since I brought up several similar words in the linked thread, I should note that Nicolle's "Big Green Book" i.e. "Arms & Armour of the Crusading Era 1050-135" has a ...

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The Norwegian 'King's Mirror' text of circa 1250 reccommends for recreation of those who are King's men practicing horsemanship in full armor, or where horses can't be used, armored sword and buckler training. It implores, "If you feel that it is important to be well trained in these activities, go ...

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I have a copy of the Roscommon Abbey figures from the "Oxford Illustrated History of Ireland, R.F. Foster,ed., Oxford University Press, 1989, p. 78. Both gallowglass are armed in similar manner with knee-length, long sleeved aketons, topped with a half-sleeve mail haubergeon of slightly shorter leng...

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Much of the work is done in the Czech Republic, and online vendors whom I've found seem to disappear about every 8 months. Try these current sites.

http://www.forest-glass.co.uk/index.htm

http://bohemian-glassworks.com/gallery/history.html

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Wyrmspleen,

I sent the scan a second time. If you haven't received it, it could be getting filtered out somehow. Let me know if it still hasn't made it.

Mart

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chef,

My only question is this:

Are interminable archery threads migratory?

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A 16th century source suggests a blob of wax affixed inside the helmet.

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Jeff - it's a 50/50 poly-cotton blend, so only half a puppy died. Just be glad it's not a cartoon print! Guys - The manuscript images - from whatever source (and I have viewed the sources you are looking at) - are only *part* of the story. Color is commonly used in pre-Renaissance art as an allegor...

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Waddell and Palermo clearly are wrong.

http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/ob ... z3365.html

http://www.thehaca.com/arttalk/at2.htm

I'll also e-mail you a copy of a spiked ax held by one of the angels at the Euphrates from an English Apocalypse, MS Auct.D.4.17 fo.5v of c. 1250.

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ishrajl,

I've sent a scan from MS Royal C VII, fo. 133 to illustrate my point. The Grande Chroniques de France show similar colors in the over-garments, although I don't see evidence that these are quilted like C VII's.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/image?L=08100014&I=11

http://gallica.bnf.fr/image?L=08100014&I=16

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I agree with Erik. If you're talking about the padded coat worn over armor and therefore visible in art, something like Hohenklingen's effgy depicts, there are a nuber of colors. Red and a dark blue (think new denim) seem most common, but a salmon pink, lime green, or purple coat is as easily found....

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Ffoulkes lists these bi-corn anvils in several inventories: Effects of the Constable de Nesle, 1302 -- Unes tenailes bicournes, i martel et menus instruments de forge... Inventory of Dover Castle, 20.12.1344 ii maides, ii bicorn, iii martellos magnos, iii martellos parvos,... The Rothschild Canticle...

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Alcy, If one looks at the Celt-Iberian falcata's development, the connection between that half loop and a knuckle guard seems obvious. As for the Honnecourt falchion being a utilitarian peice, it's good to remember that the bill also started life as a tool. In fact, some of the Maciejowski choppers ...

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Clearly from the "Romance of Alexander" presented in 1344. I believe the term in use at the time was 'faussard' or 'fauchart'. This is the 14th century descendant of those "choppers" in the Maciejowski Bible of a century earlier. Knuckle guards were also used on the 13th century falchions, as seen i...

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Wyrm, Bravo! I think you have reached a reasonable decision (in fact, the same as I was trying to steer you towards) despite the confusion caused by my post. The SCA is not a "lving history" game, but there are still choices about trying to present a "medieval" appearance versus playing to win "at a...

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Does it hinder you compared to other comabtants who are wearing different armour? Is the chainmail wearing at a disadvantage for wearing it? Apparently the cons far outway the pros for wearing chainmail and I am at the stage of putting my 13th century idea aside (for awhile anyway) and going plate ...

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Heres an incised brass from Jerpoint dated to c.1270 showing a more developed helm. I'm not sure if the point on top existed, or is caused by an inability to show perpective.

http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Jerpoint_Brass.htm

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Glen K,

As we both can see by the responses, the term "saltshaker" has yet to be well-defined in armoring! As I understand the term, it applies to an early great helm, with mask, but short in the back, whose defining feature is a slightly domed or flattened conical top and outward sloping crown.

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This is a difficult helmet style to document. Most sources to be relied upon seem to fall before 1250, and most likely to the 1230's and 1240's. There is a picture in Osprey's Warrior #48 "English Medieval Knight 1200-1300" which seems to be appropriate. On page 13, a figure with "salt-shaker" helm ...

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And here are some Polish examples copying the Sarmatians and Greeks:

http://www.husaria.jest.pl/karac.html

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The mail skirt or base might be attached to a belt or the bottom of the breastplate. Artwork generally seems to show the mail pendant from a belt, but not always. Likewise, the mail skirt might in fact be only an "apron". Here are several scans from contemporary German manuscripts. CPG 359 'Rosengar...

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Apparently chainmail is a crapload heavier than plate or other historic armour Like mail?!? I used to fight in a 17g 1/4 id butted mail hauberk over a thick gambeson. Other than adding a 9oz leather kidney belt and 16g plate couters to satisfy SCA regs, I didn't add any kind of plates, pockets, etc...

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Gwyneth, There is a small b&w image of the bottom panel of this miniature on p.145 of 'Four Gothic Kings', Elizabeth Hallam,ed. ISBN 1-55584-171-6. Although small, the details such as the buttons on the left arming hood are more clear. There was a facsimile made, and information can be found here: m...

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There are arming coifs, like those in the Maciejowski Bible, and there are arming hoods, like those in the Holkham Picture Book of the early 14th century. The Holkham variety seem to have been worn under bascinets and have a button front, no liripipe, and a seperate gusset with vertical stitching to...

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Here are two examples from the Manesse. The first appears to be plate schynbalds (or perhaps full greaves?) in a "war" context. The second would seem to be cuirboulli in tournament use. m m If you will accept Flemish images as being part of the Empire, and therefore "German", the Dutch KB's MS KA 20...

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A number of sabatons are not of the articulated type. There are lots of depictions of scale-covered shoes, or plates rivetted to leathers. The remains of the latter style armored shoe were recovered at Wisby.

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It is if you're making Japanese mail.

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Wireless keyboard. Gotta love it. [img]http://forums.armourarchive.org/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

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Yes. Some Wisby plates were in situ enclosing the wearer's skeletal remains. Some had mail coifs with the mantle "tucked in" beneath the CoP, but none had evidence of mail shirts being worn beneath. Could be why they ended in the mass grave? Mail shits were discovered seperately at Wisby along with ...

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retroblaze, Kapok was used in the Sudan for padding armors into the 19th century. I think the 3 or 4 fingers thickness is specified for being over the shoulder (weight bearing area) and varies with the thicker amount being specified for cotton, and the lesser amount for seasoned linen --either rags,...

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