The Armour Archive

Ernst

This is the earliest mentioning I've seen of "high nailing". Richardson argues that this is all-riveted construction, and I'm inclined to agree as I was making the same argument before reading his thesis. I'm not certain we can say it is wedge riveted rather than round riveted, or that haute doesn't...

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If Nicholai Alberti is Janko's father, I would bet the armor and slab date to his death.

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Yes, it's a death inventory. It seems to be a common time for taking them.

Should I break these into groups of 10 or some such to make for easier reading? Highlight or use colored text for passages or phrases I just don't understand?

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It's an open forum, and anyone is free to add. :) We've certainly had examples brought up in the past of regulations meeting those criteria. I don't think the "Documents:" title should only be restricted to inventories. And anyone is free to copy and add to whatever blog, database, or Facebook page ...

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Helmut Nickel, Some Heraldic Fragments Found at Castle Montfort/Starkenberg in 1926, and the Arms of the Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD8QFjAKahUKEwjswZvg1cjIAhXMeT4KHeCKCkY&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.metmuseum.o...

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So I missed a few banners and horse trappers, but the King had a lot of stuff. I may come back later and highlight questionable words or phrases in color, for later correction.

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http://ducange.enc.sorbonne.fr/ARMATURA3 1316, Long Inventory of Arms of King Louis X Arms of France: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Arms_of_the_Kingdom_of_France_%28Ancien%29.svg/157px-Arms_of_the_Kingdom_of_France_%28Ancien%29.svg.png Arms of France and Navarre: https://...

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Excerpt from the 1316 inventory of Louis X Item 4. espées garnies d'argens, dont les 2. sont garnies de samit, et les deux de cuir. Item une espée garnie d'or et de cuir. Item une espée à parer garnie d'argent, le pommel et le poing esmaillé. Item 8. espées de Toulouze, et deux Misericordes. Item 17...

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Thanks for the catch on the visors, and I've gone back and edited it. The printed text shows "gouden dacb" in italics, and they seem unsure if the transcription is readable. Coming on the heels of 3 pair of golden spurs in an inventory for the Count of Flanders, goedendag seemed like a good guess. N...

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Closed greaves and "half-greaves" (probably schynbalds) appear side-by-side as early as the 1302 inventory at the death of Raoul de Nesle, Constable of France.

Item, ii harnas de gaumbes fourbis de coi les greves sont closes c s.
Item, unes autres demie greves fourbies iiii l.

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Trying something new, with postings of inventories relevant to armor. All will be Titled as "Document:" to aid in future searches. Please feel free to correct my poor attempts at translation. Source: https://archive.org/stream/documentsetextra01deha/documentsetextra01deha_djvu.txt https://ia802502....

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I'm fairly certain it's been brought up before. In one of the Osprey texts, I think. I'll see if I can find it today.

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Since Will McLean and his family have been on my mind, (may they find Peace), I began thinking again of the cervelliere. It's been long accepted practice to use the word for the metal skullcap, though this is apparently incorrect. In Matt Easton's videos at the Wallace, I noted that Toby Capwell had...

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The Bargello is in Florence, and I think the rebuilding after a fire dates the frieze to 1323.

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Isn't there an incised stone for making shield facings from the Teutonic Order?

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You know, Ernst, the first and third passages brings up a problem I have been puzzling over. The non-diminutive form bacin/basin "bowl" could mean a headpiece too! That is uncommon in Middle English and Middle French but the Italian documents I am reading are more likely to write bacino than bacine...

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Eric, You may be pleased to hear that further research may overturn my argument in favor of brayettes being used as evidence for demi-riveted construction into the 15th century. https://archive.org/stream/documentsete ... a_djvu.txt 1322. — ARMURES DU C0MTE DE FLANDRE. Robert of Béthune, (Robert III...

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The Bargello knight?
http://cs622328.vk.me/v622328586/354f4/W2_aRbEQGUE.jpg

I've always been more interested in the scale gauntlets. I don't think images of visored sugarloafs are really that rare, though.

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Apparently that's all they have. Ah well, as you note it's a start.

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The Russians have placed it in pdf.
http://www.13c.ru/texts/blair.pdf

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https://archive.org/stream/documentsetextra01deha/documentsetextra01deha_djvu.txt 1322. — ARMURES DU C0MTE DE FLANDRE. Robert of Béthune, (Robert III, Count of Flanders) obit. 1322. Item , unes braies de fier wambisiés. Item , une testiere a cheval en tiete. Item , unes petites plates clauées d'arge...

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That's actually a very braod question, as there are many styles of tournament which became differentiated over the centuries. There are references to mail hauberks for the tournament being distinguished from those for war, though we don't know for certain what set them apart. There is an early 14th ...

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The French have trouble spelling bascinet the same way within the same document. Undoubtedly pronunciation varied by region and dialect, with single and plural, and depending on whether a man had a lisp. 1302 Inventory Raoul de Nesle, Constable of France Item, iii bacines l s. Item, iii paires de c...

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There are a number of English dictionaries available with pronunciation guides. All show the "t" being pronounced. It's a little basin. I don't eat a box of Raisin-ays, or pull cass-ays from the old tape deck either. P.S. (Armet may be the odd one out in the list, as English and American pronunciati...

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Although it doesn't answer the question of the nature or color of the varnish, there is the 1302 inventory of the Count of Nesle, Constable of France, killed at Courtrai. Item, une covertures a cheval pourpointée, ii testieres de soie a cheval, iii chapiaus de Montauban, iii hiaumes et i bachinet ve...

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I think it's more to display wealth, as we see camocas (silk damask), velvet, cendal (fine silk), etc. being used for these coverings by the highest nobles. I've found a few manuscript images of red bascinets in the timeframe 1325-1350, though it's impossible to tell from a miniature if it's paint, ...

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I just spotted this one in Sean M's provided Comptes de l'argenterie des rois de France au XIVe siècle . https://archive.org/details/comptesdelargen00dougoog p.143 Ledit Prince, pour 2 livres de soye de plusieurs couleurs, à faire aguillètes, las et tissus ans diz hernois, 14 escus For the same Prin...

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Stained glass window in the Cathedral, Saint-Pierre de Poitiers, 1170-1225.
http://www.medievalart.org.uk/PoitiersW ... anel17.htm

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I'm fairly sure you're referring to the 1322 London Armourer's Guild regulation, which doesn't specify the nature of the covering -- cloth or leather. Regulations made by the Armourers of London. 15 Edward 11. A.D. 1322. Letter-Book E. fol. cxxxiii. (Norman French.) Also, seeing that as well lord as...

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p.143 Ledit Prince, pour 3 pièces de cendal ynde, des petis à fourrer une tunicle, housser veluyaux, et garnir heaumes, bacinès, et autres harnois de maille. Pour tout, 15 escus For the same Prince, for 3 pieces of Indian cendal, the smaller for stuffing a tunic, with a velvet shell(?), and covering...

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So Sean M and I have batted this about in PMs. Sean brought up the 1851 publication of the Comptes de l'argenterie des rois de France au XIVe siècle , the accounts of the silver-workers of the kings of France in the 14th century. These guys are like Tiffany and Co., doing a lot more than working sil...

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p.145 Ledit Guillaume (le Bon, coffrier): pour une paire de pettis cofres couvers, à mectre haubergerie, bannières, tunicles et autre paramens. 8' p. Thanks for the reference Sean. I almost wonder if we shouldn't start threads for each documentary source. There's a lot of purchase accounts in this o...

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Tom,
How did you finally decide to suspend the leg harness and fauld, along with the brayette? I remember you and Mac batting ideas around earlier, but wondered what you settled upon.

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Edit: And does anyone know what museum is in the second photo? Some of the bits remind me of ones in the Met, but I think they go for fancier cases and galleries. From the label: "unique 14th-15th century collection, found in a crypt of the city walls of the Venetian fortress of Chalkis. Most are o...

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This one?
http://www.clevelandart.org/art/1923.1065

Or another?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachmen ... 0475&stc=1

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Document: 1322 Count of Flanders

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Cervelliere

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Re: Another mail project: "Braies d'acier" or brayettes

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Re: High-end rust-prevention on hidden plates.

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Fabric covered helms?

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