The Armour Archive

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Not a lot of pictures, but it seems to be a complete listing of 13 pages. http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/resultat_foremal.asp?strictd=2&qtype=f&sort=asc&orderby=lokal_&sakord=ringbrynjehuva&searchmode=1&sm=0_3&rd_min=400&catid=1 Coupled with Tommy Hellman's research and Thordeman, it's a useful to...

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20cm length is about right for a mail-vambrace (the elusive musekin?), but it seems a bit large around. Perhaps over a padded aketon?

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J. Salazar wrote:If anyone could kindly direct me to further information of Birka Garrison rings I would really appreciate it.

Listed as bronze, and possibly jewelry., but it's from Birka, and is woven like mail.
http://catview.historiska.se/catview/me ... res/221741

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It seems too large for part of a sleeve, as omkrets = circumference in Swedish. 40 cm or about 15 7/8" seems more suited to a thigh. Ärm sammansatt av cirka 1300 ringar. is "Sleeve composed of about 1,300 rings." Data page: http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/fid.asp?fid=117789 Large view: http://catvi...

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The earliest couters (Fr. coude - elbow) appear on the effigy of William Longsword (Longespée) II, obit 11 Feb. 1250 at Mansourah. It took a couple of years to get his dismembered remains returned, and longer to get them back to England. Manuscript Miniatures gives the obit date, but some authoritie...

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Arm armor arrives late compared to leg armor, as the legs are more vulnerable on a mounted man. Even the 13th century King of Sodom figure at Reims Cathedral, which may borrow from Byzantine inspiration, has splinted greaves and rerebraces, but nothing but mail on the forearm. https://www.flickr.com...

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I gather you had something in mind a bit later than the 7th century Valsgärde 8 splints? Talbot's analysis is a good starting point: http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/armour/effigy/All%20Vambrace.jpg Lower Arm Defenses Plate means a solid, smooth plate lower arm defense. Splints means lower arms def...

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I suppose it's worth noting the scale vambraces on the Northwode brass, even though they're on the arms rather than legs.
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/651/869/

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I'm looking for further examples of scale cuisses, a transitional armor between gamboissed and plate cuisses. Thanks. Life of St. Edward the Confessor , Cambridge Ee.3.59, fo.4r; England, c.1250-1260. http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/MS-EE-00003-00059/13 Cambridge Ee.3.59 fo 04r-1.jpg Apocalypse , BL ...

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"Best" for what purpose and for whom?
What kind of helm?

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I would say those are quite relevant, Mac. The putto has no choice but to use the belt, as he has no braies!

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Not finding them on the KHM's database under hosen or Rudolph
http://bilddatenbank.khm.at/coll_gg

Maybe mis-attributed as to location as well as provenance!

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1365 would be Duke Rudolph IV of Austria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_IV ... of_Austria

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Synchronicity

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What is it? Some sort of noise maker, I presume, the medieval equivalent to a pair of coconut shells? Shake the stick back and forth and the hammer hits the board? Hours of Yolande of Flanders, BL Yates Thompson 27, fo. 97ar, 1353-1363, Paris, France. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=yat...

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Another drunken cook, I guess.
Hours of Yolande of Flanders, BL Yates Thompson 27, fo. 69v 1353-1363, Paris, France.
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.asp ... s_27_f069v

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Didn't know if you had this one, fresco from Chiesa di San Fiorenzo, Bastia Mondovi, reportedly from 1472.
http://www.sanfiorenzo.org/immagini/aff ... s.fior.jpg

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The earliest known image of surcoats is likely from the Winchester Bible, dating to c. 1180. Manuscript Miniatures incorrectly attributes this folio to the Morgan leaf; It remains in Winchester Cathedral MS 17. http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4670/14885/ The chanson Aliscans from c. 1180-1190 mentio...

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One of the problems with the Charlemagne chess pieces is that none of them has an alternate carving method which can be interpreted as mail. It's nice to see two methods used so we can contrast them, and say one method is intended to represent mail, and the other scale or lamellar. The carving metho...

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2) if you want practical protection and want to look authentic, wear your lamellar under your surcoat and give the appearance of an unarmoured sergeant. You will have the practical protection of armo while still appearingt unarmoured. Always a problem for those whose portrayal mimics the era before...

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Shrunk one down -

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But they also appear with kettle hats?

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From Tasha, with pictures - http://cottesimple.com/tag/buttons/ As I have already detailed how buttons are used on long sleeves of foundation-layer clothing and on center-front openings for top-layer clothing in my paper “How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love Layers”, I won’t revisit that here....

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Miniature for you - boxers, not briefs.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84386043/f59.item

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Another possible example in the inhabited initial on folio 96r.
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.asp ... 6684_f096r

Book of Hours
BL Additional 36684
c. 1320; St.-Omer, France
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDispla ... d_MS_36684

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Five-toed boots might be slightly easier to find.

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I suspect a similar plate is what's intended in the decades-earlier (1311) inventory of John fitz Marmaduke:
j gaimbeson cum alleccys liij s iiij d
1 gambeson with "alleccys", probably from Alexis: Greek, ἀλέξω or aléxo, meaning "to help, defend."

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Comparable to Goliath's knees in the Psalter and Hours of Alfonso V of Aragon , BL Add. MS 28962, fo. 81v, Spain (probably Aragon), 1436-1443. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_28962_f081v Same source different folio (361v), with panzerarms and panzerhose and rosette at the knee. ...

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:bump: A nice grisaille full-page miniature with 6 examples of "high gorgets", showing rivets and all! Similar construction to the aventails, since some are on a bascinets? http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_24189_f016v Source: Illustrations for Sir John Mandeville, Voyage d'outre m...

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I knew a collector of 16th c. furniture who only used beeswax and turpentine. Most of her furniture had been flown out of Britain on military transports, avoiding customs. Perhaps the ratio is important, or buffing well after application?

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Looks great, Tom. A shame we can't get a better riveted ring from India.

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More examples of the hanging triangular neck guard: Paduan Picture Bible BL Additional 15277 1395-1400; Padua Italy http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?index=40&ref=Add_MS_15277 What a splendid manuscript! Mac Indeed! I had a brief WTF moment when I first encountered folio 64r, the top ri...

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Probably not what you had in mind, but I'm fascinated by this trauma plate:
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/5445/18024/

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More examples of the hanging triangular neck guard: Paduan Picture Bible BL Additional 15277 1395-1400; Padua Italy http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?index=40&ref=Add_MS_15277 fo. 66v, lower right http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_15277_f066v fo 68v, top right http://ww...

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:bump: Perhaps the earliest examples of a torse I've found, though the crest sometimes appears to be backwards. Curious. Decretals of Gregory IX BL Royal 10 E IV 1300-1340; Tolouse(?), France fo. 256v, bottom http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=royal_ms_10_e_iv_f256v fo. 261v, bottom http:/...

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