The Armour Archive

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The Swedish wills bother me, as the testator leaves a lendener, but no mail chausses or other leg harness: Horses, spaulders, plates, helms and kettle hats, lendeners..... no aketons, nor leg armor? It makes me wonder if the word might not sometimes be used for any military belt, even one not used f...

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Just checked and found the sites are back up. Yay!

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After looking at the original, I think your rolled edges are too even.

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If I were to do it again, I would probably look into hemp canvas. I don't know if that's what our ancestors would have used, but I think it was available to them? I'm sure you know more about medieval textiles than I do. The etymology of the word itself says so. canvas (n.) "sturdy cloth made from ...

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The fellow to the right seems to be following the same practice, though we can't see if the shoulders are strapped due to the hanging hood/hat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipila ... otostream/

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Also, it has been shown that some of the great helms are "riveted" together with arming nails which are clenched and not peened.

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Resurrection Alert Yes, this is a really old, but still good thread. This image from Roel Renmans popped up on my feed today. No shoulder straps? Using the curious holes to point the kastenbrust to the clothing??? ca. 1426 - 'Murder of Thomas Becket, Thomas-Altar' (Meister Francke), Hamburg, Hambur...

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I e-mailed Galfrid several days ago concerning this.

Hey Mart, the server suffered a CPU failure. The component is being replaced, according to support. Hopefully back soon.

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In 1401 in the German town of Göttingen the shoemakers, beltmakers and mercers had a dispute settled by the town council, about which trade could make or sell what products. The shoemakers and beltmakers wanted the mercers and the pouchmakers not to sell or make any pouches ,... Now that's curious!

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I suspect adding more vertical stitching will help stiffen it a bit. Basically divide the section one more time. Larson's translation: The rider himself should be equipped in this wise: he should wear good soft breeches made of soft and thoroughly blackened linen cloth, which should reach up to the ...

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Ian,
What inspiration did you find in the King's Mirror for leather?

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Just heard from Galfrid that Manuscript Miniatures (as well as Efffigies and Brasses, Armour in Art) had a cpu failure. Repairs are in the works, and hopefully the sites will soon be back up. Len, I don't know if that's a separate mail skirt, or if it's attached to the upper plates as a fauld. I've ...

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Tom,

Unfortunately they don't have them all photographed. Take your pick from the list I compiled in the tailoring thread, though MET 14.25.1541a–c looks like a good candidate.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=163811&p=2487391&hi ... s#p2487391

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Here's one thread which may be of interest to you.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168360

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(I responded on My Armoury, but am X-posting here also to keep it tidy.) I don't think they're certain that it is. The link identifies it as being in the Zagreb Archaeological Museum, Musei Archaeologici Zagrabiensis . A quick search brought a bilingual monograph of the catalog which has images of b...

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Have you tried searching by metric, .1mm wire?

Various 34g wires:
http://www.artisticwire.com/34-Gauge-Di ... s/1908.htm

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Thanks Bertus.

Out of curiosity, do you lace your lower chausses (below the calf) in the back or on the inside?

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The panel is on the interior of the west façade, with the main door and rose window. This was one of the first areas completed. Further, the names of the architects are well known, and later construction still followed the 13th century plan. That being said, I'm no expert and would accept a date of ...

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Sean, Do you think these are what we now call a bretache?

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There are the spaulders of the King of Sodom in the Reims Cathedral panel showing Abraham and Melchizedek. An early-13th French interpretation of Byzantine armor seen during the 4th Crusade? https://classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/323/flashcards/1005323/jpg/melch_and_abraham1323884013708.jpg https:...

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Hungarian site identifies the location as the "Fisherman's Bastion" ( Halászbástya ). https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal%C3%A1szb%C3%A1stya It was built between 1895-1902 in the neo-Romanesque style. Google image search for "fisherman's budapest sculptures" brings many examples. http://thumbs.dreamst...

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An interesting example for comparison as a possible explanation for the odd fluting shown. Perhaps a second, lower plate? https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/2043648782/in/dateposted/ Roel Renmans ca. 1450 - 'composite Kastenbrust armour', South German, Wien Museum Karlsplatz, Wien, Austria ht...

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Fo.7r has one on the floor, but it doesn't show the double-pivot/circles. BNF Français 343 fo.7r-visor.jpg Fo.32r is more commonly shown with the undressed knight. It's rather worn but seems to show a standard visor arm. BNF Français 343 fo.32r-visor.jpg Folios 30v and 32v are of interest since the ...

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I'm inclined to think the artist, despite the otherwise high quality of the manuscript, simply has problems drawing a realistic visor. I used to know an artist who drew horses with near miraculous skill. The musculature was so exact, you could almost feel it. But, they were always standing in a past...

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I think 36" to 42" length should be good for one of these shields. Most of them look deeply curved too. Gerhard has a tutorial on historic techniques here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=167321

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The (probably) late-12th century Seedorf shield of Arnold of Brienz measures 87.3cm (34.4") in length, though the point is broken, and the top appears to have been cut down. Width is 65.8cm (25.9"). http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=26845 From a previous post-- From _The A...

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Plenty of examples on manuscript miniatures. Just do a search from 1175-1200.

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Split in what way? Thom Richardson does a good job of documenting these skirts, known in England as "paunces" or "pairs of paunces", which are usually issued along with a pair of mail sleeves and pisane colar. There are also references to mail aprons, which only cover the front.

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Yes. Two pivots per side. Like compound cutting pliers. Should I change the title to be more accurate?

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An early kastenbrust (if the manuscript dating is accurate) which seems to not wrap much. The sides are often covered by the arms or sleeves, making this a difficult feature to isolate.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/5462/18364/

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James,
Check out the figure on the left. The breastplate seems rather shallow to me.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4478/12002/

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Osage orange is wonderful for bows. Turning it or tooling it is exceptionally difficult to do without burning it. I've also had it split along the grain when pinned on baselard scales. Let us know how it works for a hammer handle. Perhaps the grain should be turned sidewise like a bow?

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So, two hinge points? There are a number of these illustrated in Fr. 343, though not all of the visors shown in the manuscript show this odd feature. Most are single-point side pivots. Pull forward to lower? http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84584343 http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?year=...

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There are those early 13th century descriptions from Guillaune le Breton's Phillipide and Heinrich von dem Türlin's Diu Crone being worn under mail, but that's probably not quite what you had in mind. The Pistoia silver altar from the 1360s shows them. https://plus.google.com/photos/1007904974115327...

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The Bek-Bike Khazak lamellar from the 9th or 10th century has embossed lames, 6.5 x 3.5 cm, 1.5mm thick, with a 1cm hemispherical boss.

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