The Armour Archive

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More possible candidates appear in Christine de Pizan's Epitre d'Othea , Cod. Bodmer 49, c. 1460. The whole manuscript is done in grisaille with color highlights, so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the body armor being gray. http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/list/one/fmb/cb-0049 Cod. Bodmer 49 fo...

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And an interesting complaint of adulterated stuffing materials, a common problem legislated against unto the present day: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-letter-books/voll/pp110-130#highlight-first Petition of the Upholsterers Concerning Deceptive Stuffing Material 27 July, 14 Edward IV. (A...

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In Latin documents, the word lorica continues to be used to describe hauberks into the 14th century.

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Since I am not currently a member of the SCA, since I wondered why this appeared in Interpretive Re-creation instead of the combat forum, and because the original post seemed more like a rant than a question (HINT: Only two question marks used as punctuation), I was reluctant to reply. I'll see what...

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Maybe you can find a supplier who isn't back-ordered. Just search for riveted mail tools. http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SNC794 http://www.kultofathena.com/images%5CSNC794_5_l.jpg Basically a pair of end nippers (some people use linesman pliers) that's been ground down and dimples with...

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Another view of the effigy. I think the sculptor has it too long in the face.

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Perhaps a grand bascinet rather than an armet, maybe just a cloth covered breast rather than a brig.: Possibly closer to an analogy? Froissart's Chronicles, BNF Français 2643, fo. 292r, 1470-1475, Bruges http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84386043/f607.item BNF Fr.2643 fo.292r.jpg Fo.312v BNF Fr....

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I suppose the modern counterpart would be bayonet drills?

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Another entry from Ffoulkes And another. My French isn't good enough to attempt a translation Traite d'un Tournoi , King Rene (c.1450). "...que ledit harnoys soit si large et si ample que on puisse vestir et mettre dessoulz ung porpoint ou courset ; et fault que le porpoint soit faultre de trys doi...

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Romance language, default goes to Latin - "like that", so, thus....

http://latinlexicon.org/definition.php?p1=2054676

It is worth noting that the 3 pounds of cotton is set as a minimum allowed.

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https://books.google.com/books?id=meoU4_UxKcgC The Inventory of all the goods & cattels wares marchadisse as well moveable as vnmoveable p'teing to will'm walton Drap' in Durh'm laytley disceased praysed by hew whitfeld thomas whitfeld Rob't Potter & will' harpr Ann Dom'i 1566 in October ---------- ...

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At best, some of them seem like decent opening moves, but nothing covering what happens next.

Since most of these end with a thrust to the face or neck, I suspect that "what happens next" is the struck man collapses in agony while the victor moves to the next man.

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Que nules d'ores en avant ne puisse faire cote gamboisee ou il n'ait 3 livres de coton tout neit, se elles ne sont faites en sicines et au dessous soient faites entre mains que il y ait un pli de viel linge empres I'endroit de demi aune et demi quartier devant et autant derriere." That (nules d'ore...

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Funerary achievement mountings? I know some of the great helms have rectangular and square holes in the back or top.

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I'm shocked that tunica is actually translated as tunic! Thanks, Sean.

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What's the source for a late 14th century sugarloaf? The 13th century sugarloaf on the Trumpington brass is huge.
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/768/1056/

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I concur, Tom. So the square hole would be to affix a bevor?

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http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/jak_n_2 Source: Acta Conc. [1478–1532] The Acts of the Lords of Council in Civil Causes. (Acta Dominorum Concilii.), vol. II 1496–1501, Thomson, T. (ed.); Commissioners on the Public Records of Great Britain; Edinburgh 1918. 1500 Acta Conc. II. 468. To restore … ane j...

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Possibly? "Middle English toile, from French toile ("cloth"), from Old French teile, from Latin tela ("web"),"

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A possible 14th century reference to a similarly constructed armor: https://books.google.com/books?id=meoU4_UxKcgC INVENTARIUM BONORUM DOMINI JOHANNIS MARMADUK (obit.1311) Apud Sylkesworth j aketon coopertum cam viridi samet xl s j gaimbeson rubeum cum tribus cathenis argenteis l s j gaimbeson cum a...

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"Que nus (armuriers) ne puisse fere cote ne gamboison de tele dont I'envers et I'endroit ne soit de tele noeve, et dedenz de coton et de plois de toiles, et einsi que est qu'il soient dedenz d'escroes. That we armourers could make neither cote nor gambeson of fabric, which the lining and outside no...

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Dan, Lighten Up! :lol: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/court-husting-wills/vol2/pp473-479 Will of Henry Barton, skinner London, 31 July 1434 To Ralph his brother he leaves two silver jugs, his Basinet his palet garnished with silver, and his Jakke of red Velewet. And an interesting complaint of adu...

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I would still be very interested if chef or anyone else could give information on soft armours from the British Isles in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, not armours where plates or maille inside a soft cover provided most of the protection. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cme/EEWills/1:19?rgn=di...

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Considering the friendly relations between Scots and French during this period, I believe Louis XI's description (of which I'm sure you were already familiar) should be added, dated to the reign 1461-1483. The description of deerskin covers seems to affix the two, Scottish and French jacks. The ord...

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"... and the sleeves should be as strong as the bodies, with the exception of the leather;..."

Would the lack of deerskin covering on the sleeves reduce the defensive capability enough to warrant the addition of strips of mail?

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Considering the friendly relations between Scots and French during this period, I believe Louis XI's description (of which I'm sure you were already familiar) should be added, dated to the reign 1461-1483. The description of deerskin covers seems to affix the two, Scottish and French jacks. https://...

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Does anyone have the original text from Dominic Mancini which describes the English archer's soft "tunics stuffed with tow"? I have grown dubious that tunica is the specific word.

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The Sempach image on p.32 is interesting. Face-like klapvisiers on bascinets is ok, but is that an example on a sallet to the left? Or is an incredibly short bascinet with a lot of flair at the neck?

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I found this when I started looking for "jack" in Scottish texts. It was written by John Leslie, Bishop of Ross, originally published in Rome in 1578. ----- Thay war harnest with Jacks al wouen throuch with yrne huikes, quhilkes habbirgeounis thay cal: "Their war harness with jacks all woven throug...

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Edmund Spenser, A Veue of the present state of Irelande , Part II, 1596 Iren: Yes, I thinke there be; but as good never a whit as never the better. For what doe statutes avayle without penaltyes, or lawes without charge of execution? for soe ther is another like lawe enackted against wearing of Iris...

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Perhaps of interest, A Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue (up to 1700) : http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/urisoun Urisoun, n. Also: urison(n)e, ur(i)e-, urysone, -sown, urasoun, wriso(u)n, -soune, wrysown(e, wriesown, -sone. [ME and e.m.E. ureisun (c1175), urisun (c1250), f. as Oriso(u)n n.] Als...

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James V, 3 Dec. 1540 The manere of harness, wapnis and armoure Item, as to the maner of harnes and wapnys and how every man suld be armit and wapnit, it is statute and ordanit that all oure sovirane lordis liegis haif wapnis and harnes as eftir followis: in the first, that every nobill man, sic as e...

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More from the Records of Parliament, using a search for "armour". http://www.rps.ac.uk/ James I, 6 March 1430 Perth Parliament How men sall eftir thare estat be bodin for were In the first it is ordanit be the king and his consale at ilk man that may dispend yerly xx lib. or has jc lib. of mowabill ...

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Yes, but the dictionary source references vary depending on search term. I thought it best to display as many original references as possible.

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If only words had fixed meanings that we could easily differentiate. :? The fact that we still find aketons into the 16th century is somewhat shocking to me, though the meaning seems to have changed drastically. Gambesons are still being mentioned into the mid-15th century. Pourpoints are quilted, a...

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