The Armour Archive

dukelogan

ive always been against the whole concept of waterbearers. its just nasty. fighters are dumb, we all know this. but cant we all be smart enough to bring our own water? i know my guys are (well, i dont let them near waterbearers) but really how hard is it? makes no sense. we dont have cup bearers run...

dukelogan

again with everything having to be an extreme. do you not think it is possible to land a two handed thrust with firm contact (not as hard as a a thrust to the body) and not blow someones head off? i know i can, and i have for years. in fact the only "injury" i know of that i contributed to was a kni...

dukelogan

respectfully i disagree. anyone can touch a grille. that takes no skill and, as such, removes one of the aspects of the sport. if its a show of skill that is the only thing needed and that skill can be displayed by being able to lightly touch someone why not go to boffer weapons. if we did that i wo...

dukelogan

my biggest fear with a hard thrust would be frontal neck injury. this would be soft tissue damage and nothing to worry over. it would, however, cause a great discomfort to the forntal neck muscles and that would suck. a gorget only helps to protect the throat itself from a direct strike. that too is...

dukelogan

just to make sure i am clear my point is that a touch, a mere touch, the touch that in the sca removes your from the contest wouldnt hurt anyone. sure a deep cut can be a pain but it really doesnt do anything. and a mere touch wont cause a deep cut. bear in mind that its pretty hard to cut a face de...

dukelogan

should put a smiley on that one, sorry. for advice, other than getting a larger shield, i can only offer some suggestions. against dual weapon opponents try keeping the buckler close to your gut. that will allow you to react much better to shots thrown at any angle. that is, of course, at range. in ...

dukelogan

in the sca,dont do it.

regards
logan

dukelogan

actually that thread was a blessing. oh, and it introduced me to the archive...... so maybe blessing is a bit much. logan NO DONUT?? Well, that's just plain mean. let me see if i understand.... fighters get cookies dukes get doughnuts bad fighters get no cookie bad dukes get no doughnuts is that rig...

dukelogan

a ton! but i always share with my dog first. ive lost so many dogs lately.. logan let me see if i understand.... (Heavily snipped by freiman) bad fighters get no cookie bad dukes get no doughnuts is that right? This thread is not going as I had planned. Well, Your Grace, has anybody given you a doug...

dukelogan

let me see if i understand....

fighters get cookies
dukes get doughnuts

bad fighters get no cookie
bad dukes get no doughnuts

is that right?

sorry man, had to do it.

D. Sebastian wrote:This thread is not going as I had planned.

dukelogan

although very rare, i have fought in scenarios in which movement was permitted during a hold. but its always been just back to a res point and never into a contested area. its possible that the movement was indeed allowed though. it would be really stupid if it was. was this at pennsic? regards loga...

dukelogan

what i said bedlam was that i would throw that shot if i saw him standing on someone like an ass. if i saw you doing it i would throw the same shot. if it were m of b, i would throw the same shot. not because of a perceived rule infraction but because of asshole-like behavior. standing on top of som...

dukelogan

we probably agree more than you think. being the victim of the cockroaches that scurry once you shine a light on them i tend to get a little raw when i read or hear stories about people of "status". that being celebrity status in the sca. and i sure hope you havent heard any stories about me being t...

dukelogan

i dont think anyone has suggested that a touch (a light touch is too speculative) with a weapon wouldnt do something. but it certainly wouldnt remove you from a fight. and in sca sport combat it does. regards logan Much of the prob with SCA thrusting is the type of weapon we use. try thrusting with ...

dukelogan

i have known michael for years. i have fought him many times. i have watched him fight many times. at one time we were friends. i have only fought him two times in tourneys and bested him both times with shots that felt pretty good. i have seen a lot of people try to hit him. i have seen very few su...

dukelogan

yeah sorry about that man. bedlam hasnt posted in a while and i just typed your name instead (although i would have expected more from you too. besides, you guys all look.... the.... same.... to.... me.... yeah thats it. regards logan No, I havent posted here. Simpy because it's a pointless waste of...

dukelogan

one of the greatest aspects of sca sport combat is the fact that your opponent decides when he has been beaten. one of the greatest problems is when we decide the worth of a blow that did not strike us. irish, you saw blows but you never felt them. as such you can not deem them good or not. that is ...

dukelogan

actually no. groin shots are not illegal. its just that under normal circumstances you simply dont try to hit the groin. regards logan Insane: Let me get this straight, you HEARD that there was a problem with a Tuchux. But you never saw this. But when you saw him stand on someone's shield (which I a...

dukelogan

DukeGareth wrote:It has been my observation that some skulls are thicker than others.

Gareth

dukelogan

but the way its done gaston in the sca is far from the poke in the eye. and no i dont think the face is that tough, but the skull is pretty tough and can certainly withstand the stupid touch kill rule we have. and the eyes make up a small part of the target area. a touch to any part of that are with...

dukelogan

ummm what about them?

logan

Greylond wrote:
dukelogan wrote:but the front of the face is filled with nothing important. nothing that would keep you from fighting.

Umm.. how about eyes?

dukelogan

there is a slight difference in the amount of force that is transfered from a small point with little give and that which comes across the length of the blade with a fair amount of give (the wrist flexes a lot more than the the elbow). youre right, of course, our helmets can take considerable damage...

dukelogan

i bet it depends on how much of that 24" was actually hanging now doesnt it? at a touch i doubt it would break your skin. at a fairly hard thrust it might break through. but the front of the face is filled with nothing important. nothing that would keep you from fighting. i once broke a guys cheekbo...

dukelogan

unless its changed the "directed touch" is society wide and its lame. sure, i can see some argument for it as a safety concern. and until we require decent helmets there will always be a concern with hard thrusts to the grille. i can take an exceptionaly hard thrust to my grille without concern but ...

dukelogan

thats my point owen. there is this stupid belief in the sca that a mere touch to the face with a pointed weapon would end a fight. the human body simply is not so fragile. that aside, the sport of sca combat created in it a touch rule that makes no sense. it creates a game of tag, and that sucks. th...

dukelogan

i read that more as a "dont start until we say go" than as a "you cant hit somebody in this tourney". just a guess on my part. logan Freiman, One example would be RenÃƒÂ©. His herald says: "My lords the judges pray and require that none of you gentlemen tourneyers beat another _with_the_point_ or ba...

dukelogan

you can certainly thrust with skill. however, sca sport combat allows for a touch to be a kill so not everyone will work on skill. so most of the time when i see guys thrusting its to the face and merely trying to score a touch. it leads to a stunt in their progress as they think they can rely on su...

dukelogan

so are you asking about thrusting in sca sport combat or historically in the real world. i ask only because the topic asks one question and your post seems to be asking a different one. just looking for clarity. regards logan Guys, I have heard from several folks that thrusting was simply not a thin...

dukelogan

mikhail,

while watching a blow one can not have a clue as to how hard it hits. watching a fighter, however, sometimes can show some problems with them or their equipment. do you have any video of you fighting? if so, if you send me a copy i would be happy to take a look.

regards
logan

dukelogan

ahhh hash house harriers. i was invited to try to start a group here in charlotte. if only i was still young. pennsic is a great time. but yes, there is a ton of lazy stuff to be found. its very disheartening to walk down a road and pass a wonderful camp full of all types of things medieval parked n...

dukelogan

yes but now you are an atlantian knight. before you were just an atlantian fighter and, as such, a thug. being in the lodge made you a thug extrodianre. now that you are an atlantian knight you are officially an evil thug extrodinare to most of the sca. become an atlantian duke and i will share some...

dukelogan

dont worry bryce, the itchy feeling will go away in time. i would suggest a little vitamin e cream applied to the forehead to keep the skin supple. after i was knighted it all came very fast but thats probably part of my birthright. by the way, do you know what kind of horns you will have? i know it...

dukelogan

if one shot only tips a glancing surface and another short sticks whatever its not the same shot. his point is that if you hit one guy with a blow that is called light the same blow to another guy should not be called excessive (unless you are an atlantian of course

).

regards
logan

dukelogan

i guess i would fight in a scenario if it had ddfb but i still see no reason for it. so it really wouldnt be a compromise that i would subscribe to. the reason i would be against it is simply that i see no use nor reason to have it. we dont do it here and i can tell you first hand that when my unit ...

dukelogan

just commit yourself to this mindset that arrows beat everything and men wore armor only to protect themselves from heavy sword, mace, glaive, axe, hammer, lance, etc. since arrows ripped through it all like butter. then you can understand sca combat better and, so ive been told, history. logan That...

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