The Armour Archive

dukelogan

armor as worn is a horrible way to go about it. who defines what is and what is not appropriate armor? is plate just a piece of metal or is it of a certain design and thickness? besides, i am one that actually believes that armor was worn for a reason and was not so easily defeated as the ca crowd l...

dukelogan

its far from just knights that loath combat archery in its present form. rather, its that most of those willing to engage in, or at least attempt, conversation happen to be knights. as a knight i must take a stance when i see something that causes problems on the field as part of my responsibility l...

dukelogan

its not hyper-competitive, its following the conventions of combat. it certainly isnt a win at all costs (whatever that is) attitude. in fact, its the opposite. its an attitude of accepting no quarter. certain things like turning a legged fighter to put the sun to his back are a given since that is ...

dukelogan

hi! my comments are interspersed and preceded by >>>>>LOGAN One manner in which Chivalry has been defined to me in the past is "courtesy to those who are beneath you in station or at a disadvantage to you." That seems a simple rule to follow. If you are at a disadvantage to me (lost your legs or an...

dukelogan

silly me, i would have told all those with bee allergies to leave the woods post haste. all those that arent scared of a few little sings should lay on. bees..... really...... regards logan The only negative memory I have of those woods, wasn't the wood's fault. We had been marched all over the plac...

dukelogan

perhaps i am missing the core of the problem. holding a fighter practice is not a requirement for a group to remain official. if you do not publish your practice as the cantons official fighter practice it ceases to be an sca function. as such, your power hungry (or at least it sounds like that) sen...

dukelogan

no rule like that in atlantia either. no problem for anyone even if there is a rule in your kingdom. just dont publish it as your groups official practice and you can hold it wherever. once this silliness about waviers and mols being part of practices began i simply went to "hosting a fighter practi...

dukelogan

in atlantia we have no additional armor requirements beyond society minimums. here in charlotte in the summer its high 90s with high 90% humidity and no breeze. i hate the summer!! many of our fighters do not wear anything above society minimums. regards logan In Ansteorra, once a leg has been taken...

dukelogan

seems very odd to me to teach a practice of thinking that once one is legged or armed they need to think about yielding a fight yet when one does leg or arm someone they ask if they want to quit, then take their own arm or leg. makes no sense. i also dont understand the concept of asking someone if ...

dukelogan

sorry, you misinterpreted my usage of the word spectacle. by it i meant that you would make it know that you were giving up your advantage and that i hadnt earned it (usually i see people step back and strike their own leg or arm). i didnt mean it as showboating or anything. while we will have to ag...

dukelogan

stonekeep, i have a question for you. if i came to texas and didnt wear items of my station (no coronet, no belt, no chain, no spurs, etc) and you didnt know me and we fought. if in that fight you legged me and then asked me if i wished to yeild (which i would find insulting) and i said "of course n...

dukelogan

the problem is not evident because their culture differs from mine, the problem is evident because it was expressed that they have fighters that refuse to acknowledge other fighters, or, that they have fighters that hit others without acknowledgement. to counter this problem they created new rules i...

dukelogan

thats funny, i read your story of their movements and thought "yeah, sounds normal to me". in atlantia most of our fighting culture is centered on fighting as an army. as an army we follow the commands of our warlord and we dont have any groups that dont follow the flow (so to speak). i have sat in ...

dukelogan

ahhh the cultural differences are indeed abound. you, my friend, have a problem in your fighting culture. fighters over here would never sit there and face forward to finish what the shield wall is doing if you got behind them. they would turn and fight. thats the way we are brought up and that is h...

dukelogan

and there you have it stonekeep, the cultural differences are like opinions. what you see as chivalric behavior (dropping your shield to give up an earned advantage) i see as an insult. i would refuse to fight you if you did not use all of your facilities. there is an advantage of engaging someone i...

dukelogan

to defeat a man in armor, even from behind, would not be so simple as to place a sword over his face. this takes nothing into account other than a touch of a weapon. like nuclear arrows, nuclear swords have no place on the field. to answer your question of renown, the man that can only best me by sn...

dukelogan

sure you can. you can create the fighting rules in whatever way you choose. demanding people dress the part is one portion, creating a combat system for people to participate in safely is another. this organization is not, nor has it ever been, an historical re-enactment society. regards logan Yes, ...

dukelogan

i didnt insult you maeryk. you commented that killing people unaware of your prescence is fun. i suggested that it wasnt worthy of stories of reknown, nor that it would make good fuel for tales of great deeds around the fire. do you disagree? tell me how i am confused then. fighting in the sca is th...

dukelogan

lets not pick the "realism" argument here. it does not apply to sca sport combat since there is very little realism, or realty, in its design. we still have the indestructable shield, the one handed sword that kills with a single hit, arrows that defeat everything, rules, touch kills, and simple tou...

dukelogan

tell you what maeryk, once we actually start "killing" each other your argument carries little wieght. if you dont think there is an advantage in getting in the backfield and allowing your opponent the chance to actually fight you need to spend more time on the field. i do it all the time and have d...

dukelogan

yeah i would say that he summed it all up rather nicely. not much else to say on this subject unless someone can come up with a good reason for allowing no fighting, fighting.

regards
logan

dukelogan

yeah and dukes edmund, uther, aeilgnan (ms?), count throbrandr, count andrew, etc etc etc

logan (only 6' 1")

Morgan wrote:Aparently someone forgot to distribute the memo to Duke Hauoc.

dukelogan

it seems you have taken this a little personaly. so i guess its better that we simply agree to disagree. i wasnt directing anything in my commentary about crusades (our war with the east) at you or your kingdom. you seem to have decided to take it that way so ill just leave it alone. best regards lo...

dukelogan

i understand why you think your point is valid but it isnt. simply because you claim that without death from behind people will lose their minds and hit people unaware, and that injuries will surely result from this madness. but you are incorrect because we dont use death from behind on the east coa...

dukelogan

not sure about the excessive force question in that one since ive heard people cry excessive at stuff just beyond a touch. but again, this is a training problem and not a need for a rule. the weapon should never have been allowed on the field anyway. well, at least here the weapon must resemble a we...

dukelogan

wow im sorry. look, i forgot that effort was something that was taboo in the sca. damn where is my coleman chair. i mean im a knight and a duke and all that. i cant be hit hard enough and i think that this is all about pounding people into the ground and that we knights are all holier than thou and ...

dukelogan

its not fun, its cheap. but if you can sneak up on me and feel thats a cool "kill" i will give it to you. look for me at pennsic and just remind me when you sneak up on me. i will give it to you. regards logan I am a fighter in the SCA as well as in another local org an we have a dead from behind ru...

dukelogan

this is only a perfect example of the failure of proper training and not an example of a rule deficit. your scenario suggests that a third (or any) party that comes into an opposing forces backfield simply can not get proper engagement and dispatch one another without a rule allowing no contest kill...

dukelogan

weapon and shield

regards
logan

dukelogan

ha ha! dont get me started! and im about to get into a sport in which injuries are every day and they last months and years. but for sca sport combat i have wandered through some drastic territory for sure! when you try to give yourself your own cortisone shots before a tourney, let me know. until t...

dukelogan

the one that meets the task.

two men play chess, one wins, he is the better man

two men swim a race, one wins, he is the better man

two men sing a song, one wins, he is rubin studdard (not the better man but who am i to say)

regards
logan

Alcyoneus wrote:Define 'better man', please.

dukelogan

wow it really sounds to me like a failure in the culture of some areas fighters. makes me feel really lucky to have been around a group of fighters in a culture that embraced combat instead of sissies that would refuse to turn and fight to such an extent that a rule needed to be made so that they co...

dukelogan

never suggested the "tap tap" approach only that they gave their nobel cousin a chance at defense. not sure that i really am going to try to find a quote that says anything to the effect of what you are looking for. there are many good books on knights, tournaments, and warfare that leave the reader...

dukelogan

i think his grace is referring to the medieval term and not the modern romantic one. i prefer to use unchivalric to comment on things pertaining to knights and knightly behavior and courteous (instead of chivalrous) to discuss the attributes of someone on good behavior. if that is indeed what he mea...

dukelogan

well it is not legal in atlantia and you must get acknowledgment from the fighter you are behind before you may strike him. havent see anyone try to do death from behind here so that hasnt been a problem and i have never seen anyone hit someone and hurt them in the manner that a few have expressed a...