The Armour Archive

dukelogan

unclear? how so? the rule you quoted said "must have this, this, this, or something similar". i would argue that the thickness of my torso is certainly better than my shield, any elbow armour, padding, etc. that is how we saw it for my first twenty years at least. regards logan Ahem. 1) Du...

dukelogan

well sure. if a guy has a center grip then his elbow isnt covered. a strapped shield is and far surpasses any elbow armour ive ever seen. im certain you arent suggesting that a tingle to the ulna nerve is reason for requiring armour of any kind. that would be absurd. regards logan I agree that elbow...

dukelogan

sorry, i read (with a basket". my bad. regards logan were are you readin your #2? when did the rules ever say that a demi is required with a basket? regards logan Your Grace, It was my understanding as I was taught that shield baskets do NOT cover the wrist enough, therefore needed the demi gau...

dukelogan

according to VI A it appears so (unless their hand is behind a shield at least 4" away from the edge).

regards
logan

Edward MacTavish wrote:So do Combat archers and siege engineers have to wear full hand coverage now?

Edward

dukelogan

sorry but you are incorrect. atlantia, for my twenty years there, accepted that the elbow was indeed covered by the shield. thousands of fighters for decades fought without anything on their shield elbows in atlantia, passed inspections, and never had an issue. several other kingdoms saw it the same...

dukelogan

where are you readin your #2? when did the rules ever say that a demi is required with a basket? regards logan V ARMOR REQUIREMENTS, Section F: Hand and Wrist Armor 4. A shield with a shield basket or equivalent. A shield alone is NOT sufficient, since it covers the back of the hand, but not the fin...

dukelogan

im not. im just wondering how the hand is somehow safe but the terribly durable elbow somehow isnt. i couldnt care less if someone fights with a bare hand behind a shield if they choose to. i wouldnt personaly but if someone feels secure with doing so i have no issue with it. the same should apply t...

dukelogan

an undisquised hockey glove invokes the spirit of the time period? how so? regards logan How about... If an item either invokes the spirit of the time period allowed in the SCA, or is unobtrusive visually, then it is OK? Brown, black, etc plastic lamellar from Noble Palstics = OK Leather armor that ...

dukelogan

that was just snipped from a whole list of changes (mostly very small) that was presented from a kem to a kingdom marshals list (thus reasonable to assume they are factual) as: The following rules changes were presented to, and accepted by the BoD. An update to the SEM’s page will be made shortly, b...

dukelogan

im gonna leave that one alone, but i could say something about one or two.... hopefully the new sem will get the verbiage (not just this one) cleared up. i considered trying for the position and in the long shot of getting it cleaning up was my #1 goal. in defense of those that write our rules i thi...

dukelogan

thats part of the problem with several of our rules that leave out specifics. however, as it is written it means any/all shields. if one looks at the requirements now in the books for hand coverage you would need a center boss that is so deep it covers your wrist entirely. ive never seen one. regard...

dukelogan

you "agree with the elbow issue"? do you mean you agree that elbows are not safe behind any shield, as the current rules state, or that you agree that elbows are perfectly safe behind certain shields like strapped shields that cover them? regards logan Well, Fuck! Why? Are we having mass i...

dukelogan

so apparently this is one of the new rules just published by the sem and approved by the board: V ARMOR REQUIREMENTS, Section F: Hand and Wrist Armor 4. A shield with a shield basket or equivalent. A shield alone is NOT sufficient, since it covers the back of the hand, but not the fingers, thumb, or...

dukelogan

when i created atlantias rule i made hand protection exempt because so many folks were wearing those egg gauntlets and seemed happy with their protection. metal gauntlets were/are so expensive i felt that not doing so would harm our sport more than help our society. that was 9+ years ago and things ...

dukelogan

seems counter-intuative to go to a non-strapped shield because you feel your shield arm isnt strong enough. if properly strapped your shield arm should not tire. mine is over 30 lbs and my shield arm never gets tired even with a full day of battles and pick-ups at pennsic. thin by about 1/8" vs...

dukelogan

not sure what an "oal sword" is. 3/8" plywood is a bit thin i think but what do i know my shield weighs 31 lbs.

regards
logan

dukelogan

by the way, we are taking the wee little honda so if anyone attending needs anything from the armoury (wood grain spears, cup hilts, lamellar, rattan) please shoot me an email as space is limited. we will be sharing a booth with egil and his very fine woodworks or just swing by the ebonwoulfe pavili...

dukelogan

who said that? i missed that one.

regards
logan

Diglach mac Cein wrote:Boy, didn't take long for the "see, we should hit harder" and "our rules are dumb" arguements to pop up.

Different groups, different demographics and circumstances. What we have works for us.

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dukelogan

and they got for real castles to boot! wait..... now i hate them. regards logan Here is the real observation. It seems to me that once a country hits a certain level of freedom and income base for the masses wacky stuff starts hitting the fan, like say....oh, some form of recreational combat from th...

dukelogan

i assume you mean these russian guys. if so i have not but it does look like fun. not sure if i would be comfortable punching dudes (or kneeing them for that matter) but i am very interested in the battle of nations thingy. maybe next year once we know this latest surgery is 100%. regards logan clea...

dukelogan

depends on who is there...... oh you mean sca fighting. ummm i think 8 weeks post-op is a little early. 13 repairs done to my shoulder in 5 hours probably means i should letit rehab at least for half of the one yar my dr suggests. so, im thinking another six months or so. but of course my dance card...

dukelogan

clearly. given how potentially deadly and dangerous rattan is im sure these cats fall over dead all the time. no engagement, stout blows with metal weapons, grappling, kicking (albeit very unskilled kicks and knees), i mean the hospitals must reek of dead bodies. good thing some in the sca think pow...

dukelogan

chris is one of the best drs ive ever had. he did my right elbow after we moved to florida and it feels great (after 7 years of pain) and is as strong as ever. i flew back to columbia after we moved to have him do my ulna legament replacement surgery. i just wish he would have done my labrum reconst...

dukelogan

ahh, ok. ive never worn anything over my lower ribs and have never had an issue. of course i do not, for a second, believe our combat can harm kidneys but the rule makers make rules and claim they are for safety all the time and this one has been around for decades. breaking a rib in the back with a...

dukelogan

it also shows a huge failing that the sca is plagued with when it comes to limited front battles. the worst thing, in the entire world, is to see guys charge up to a limited front and then stop and throw these retarded over the shield wrist shots while ducking blindly behind a shield. or worse, doin...

dukelogan

esa, myself, and the baby will be attending. the armory will be there with cup hilts, lamellar, and wood grain spears and sharing a booth with egills fine woodworks. its a 16 hour drive but well worth it to see family, friends, and attend an event back home.

regards
logan

dukelogan

looking at the images of these shirts they look like they well cover the kidneys. most folks dont understand that their kidneys are not in the lower part of their back but, rather, even with your elbows. regards logan I recently ordered a full-coverage Zoombang shirt as discussed on here. I got it i...

dukelogan

some of us like snow and miss it! "judo type throws" is confusing since "judo" also includes sambo which is what real, non-american "my kid is a black belt in judo" bs, is. russian or american sambo is probably not what these cats want (or even real "asian" ju...

dukelogan

what about the rules on grappling/striking? the picture posted looks like the guy on the right is unarmed. the kit i can put together and the shoulder will have medical clearance in a few months.

regards
logan

dukelogan

caniswalensis here is your answer. this is, exactly, what you do with new folks to get them hooked. there is no excuse that works when someone suggests that the only way a new person can take the field is to look like a mad max reject. none. regards logan I'll say it again, bolded for emphasis: If y...

dukelogan

the term "attempt" was removed many years ago. but lets pretend, for a second, it wasnt. how do you justify this as an attempt at pre-17th century armour in appearance? really? logan "an attempt at". That's what it requires. Not "appears to be". But, otherwise, I agree....

dukelogan

the problem is that crap armour, like this, is not required for a new fighter. i have put dozens of folks on the field in good looking kits, nothing modern in sight, for less money than dark victory stuff (which is not protective at all in my opinion), for better than 20 years. it is not "a goo...

dukelogan

ive never been tackled nor have i ever heard of mike doing anything like that. might have been another dashingly handsome duke being tackled by some old duke. i was intentionally shoved back and fell over a man during a hold at gw once, but that would be the closest thing to it. regards logan Uhh it...

dukelogan

maybe folks should stop assuming the worst so easily. if i thought someone was trying to insult me (something which is not possible) i would simply ask them. anyone who knows me knows that i have no issue asking someone directly "that sounded/looked like youre trying to be an asshole, were you?...

dukelogan

sort of. what i teach is about closing your hand at the right moment much like the way framers swing hammers. in the video his hand closes well before the blow lands (and he never mentions how important that is). regards logan not sure about all the talk about powerful shots since basically hes thro...

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