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by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:09 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Technique Legality Question
Replies: 64
Views: 1504

its too often used as a crutch and too often leads to sloppy fighting. crown should be a showcase of skill and while a tiny percentage of guys throw skillful thrusts the majority do not. now those are my own opinions but i would not be surprised if hrh feels any different. he has disallowed them in ...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:29 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Technique Legality Question
Replies: 64
Views: 1504

my money is on thrusting not being allowed for crown. regards logan Yeah, Logan has it right. Since he was the one who taught me the move, I do it the same way. It's not a feint, and it's not a thrust. It's definitely not, in my opinion, a blatant safety hazard. Given the way this is done I can't im...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:47 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Technique Legality Question
Replies: 64
Views: 1504

yeah i can see that being read like a thrust at the shield. i just assumed he was talking about how i do it which is to place the tip on the shield, a little shove to displace, then throw the shot. i dont strike the shield, only push it. i think the rules are pretty clear that thrusting, even at the...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:41 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Technique Legality Question
Replies: 64
Views: 1504

depending on how its done, either way the technique (which ive done for many years) doesnt really travel far enough to make contact even if the guy suddenly moves his shield out of the way. if you watch the "feast of st martin" on my site dated 10/10 you will see the way i do it. regards l...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:38 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Nasty, brutish and not that short...Battle of Towton
Replies: 11
Views: 513

i was looking at: " The first five blows were delivered by a bladed weapon to the left-hand side of his head, presumably by a right-handed opponent standing in front of him. None is likely to have been lethal." blows hard enough to damage the skull, much harder than any punch weighted down...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:13 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Nasty, brutish and not that short...Battle of Towton
Replies: 11
Views: 513

and some folks will still think punching a guy with an axe, wrist flicky shots, or lightly jabbing a sword to the face would be fight enders. :roll:

i dont care who are, mr 25 was one tough dude!

regards
logan
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:04 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Technique Legality Question
Replies: 64
Views: 1504

yes, according to this particularly silly rule. there is nothing dangerous about a feint like that. at least no more dangerous than throwing your hilt forward, like a jab, to elicit a reaction from your opponent. regards logan IV. THE USE OF WEAPONS AND SHIELDS A. Weapons shall be used in accordance...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:00 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Technique Legality Question
Replies: 64
Views: 1504

placing the sword, tip or otherwise, against the shield and then pushing is not a thrust. at least thats how i see it as our rules define what a thrust is.

regards
logan
by dukelogan
Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:41 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shoulder problems in SCA fighters.
Replies: 34
Views: 1576

you need to go to an ortho, not a general. an ortho can properly diagnois what is causing the pain. ie is it simply soft tissue damage? if so naproxen and rest is probably the best path. but if its something else (stress fracture, debris/foriegn body, etc) naproxen wont do much to solve the problem....
by dukelogan
Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:44 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shoulder problems in SCA fighters.
Replies: 34
Views: 1576

but thats what im talking about. prven treatments that actually address issues. sure, a lot of proven medical treatments (most) have some basis or beginings in non-traditional medthods. once those have been tried and tested and refined its all good. having a guy heat up a glass gobe and placing it o...
by dukelogan
Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:47 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shoulder problems in SCA fighters.
Replies: 34
Views: 1576

i would strongly recommend sticking with real medicine and real science and staying away from things like chiropractics. they do as much good as acupuncturists, banki, rakki, prayer, buhang, and all other types of non-science, non-medical types of so called treatment. if you are in pain see a real d...
by dukelogan
Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:14 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shoulder problems in SCA fighters.
Replies: 34
Views: 1576

ive had a lot of shoulder issues over the years. ive seen many professionals and have learned a lot about how and why we damage our shoulders. i am working on a series of videos explaining what ive learned, what ive done wrong, and some very effective strength traing routines to help balance out our...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:36 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sorry, but I have to say it.
Replies: 344
Views: 12782

ive brought it up on a number of threads, he was just looking for other nits to pick. i mean, why else would it even be mention if not to suggest (however innaccurrate) blow force? makes no sense not to equate them, not to mention its already been pointed out that the rules do mention it. regards lo...
by dukelogan
Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:55 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sorry, but I have to say it.
Replies: 344
Views: 12782

assuming, of course, that these shots he hit the other guy with left no doubt and (as you charge) he could not control himself enough, nor had enough personal worth, that he choose to cheat and not call those clearly good shots that hit him? you made that call having been on the outside and not, at ...
by dukelogan
Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:52 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sorry, but I have to say it.
Replies: 344
Views: 12782

i was going to say it pages ago. glad to know im not alone. also, those that think having consorts (or any other "not in the fight" folks) calling blows or throwing fighters aligned with them off the field i need to add that not all of our consorts actually think they are qualified to do s...
by dukelogan
Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:53 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: The Helmet Shot- From Inside
Replies: 42
Views: 1524

Re: harder than you want...

corby i wasnt questioning your opinion of what you would like, or not like, to be hit with. how on earth could i? what i was replying to was this statement " A good shot with no helmet on? You are not going to get up and someone else has to call the ambulance ." while your result certainly...
by dukelogan
Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:44 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sorry, but I have to say it.
Replies: 344
Views: 12782

i suppose that depends on how the newer guys are brougt in. ive worked with tons of new folks over the years with a very high rention rate. but i teach them that succeeding in our sport is difficult, requires trust and sacrifice and determination. ive only very rarely heard any of my students questi...
by dukelogan
Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:39 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sorry, but I have to say it.
Replies: 344
Views: 12782

man, i gotta get out more. im honestly having a hard time visualizing these blatant horrors. maybe some has some video for me. ive seen a scant one or two fights in 18+ years in atlantia that might come close to what ive read suggesting there is a problem. heck i was in a crown final that caused a h...
by dukelogan
Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:58 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: The Helmet Shot- From Inside
Replies: 42
Views: 1524

yeah the wording causes some folks to support only the hardest blows should count. while they may be 100% right (and i think they may be) i dont believe that is really what we are doing. but it is what the wording suggests. i use the wording to argu against the wrist flicking and tap thrusting argum...
by dukelogan
Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:53 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: The Helmet Shot- From Inside
Replies: 42
Views: 1524

Re: harder than you want...

really? how sure are you of that? i doubt, with all sincerity, that 99% of sca guys could throw a head shot with rattan to a bare head and stop a fight. ive been hit in the head with a stickball bat (a few times during the incident) and once with a wooden baseball bat (walked into it accidently). bo...
by dukelogan
Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:21 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: The Helmet Shot- From Inside
Replies: 42
Views: 1524

simple, i feel an acceptable amount of force transfered to my head. enough transfers, its good. not enough then its either light or i rolled out of the power or both. doesnt have to stun me or hurt me (neither of those have ever happened, not once), just needs that level of transfer. regards logan
by dukelogan
Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:11 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sorry, but I have to say it.
Replies: 344
Views: 12782

it is very rude to "dumb down" a tourney fight in my opinion. i see every fighter in front of me in equal terms, as an equal threat. as such they get the best i can give them. outside of our formal contests its ver different for me. if we are their to learn and to teach we must act that wa...
by dukelogan
Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:53 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sorry, but I have to say it.
Replies: 344
Views: 12782

if person cannot, for whatever reason, deliver enough force behind a bow and you lie to them by telling them they are good enough to join our field you set the whole spirit of the sport into disarray. it is this unwllingness to say "im sorry, you just dont have it yet" that causes many rob...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:52 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: SCA legality question on some besegews.
Replies: 21
Views: 666

ooooohhhhh weve all seen worse at pennsic :shock:

thor, did you get my email?

regards
logan

Thorstenn wrote:Well the tuna can cod piece creeps me out but it's legal too!!
by dukelogan
Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:54 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: SCA legality question on some besegews.
Replies: 21
Views: 666

Re: SCA legality question on some besegews.

to answer you question directly, no.... nobody can point out a rule that would disallow them. the rules, of course, are available for your review at: www.sca.org under the earl marshala tab. then, you ca go the m although our website is really not laid out well. somewhere there is a link to the trim...
by dukelogan
Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:48 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: SCA legality question on some besegews.
Replies: 21
Views: 666

and this is the main problem with the marshallate. too much of this "what if" and "well i think that". the rules are simple, our sport is very safe, and marshals need to learn to follow the letter and not engage in "could might possibly maybe" stuff coupled with the mis...
by dukelogan
Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:28 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: SCA legality question on some besegews.
Replies: 21
Views: 666

doesnt apply since thats not the business end of a weapon (thin shafted combat arrows exempt of couse). armour doesnt have such a requirement. that is if we are talking about the round thingys near the armpit. regards logan The most important rule would be this: Will it fit into a legal (1" wid...
by dukelogan
Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:18 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Marshals Question: Throat Protection
Replies: 53
Views: 1489

sorry, i misunderstood and somehow missed that it hit the grille first. in my situation the thrust skipped off my maille just above my collarbone and then went into my helm landing right under my earlob. regards logan Duke Logan, The sword never touched his face. It did contact his helmet and pushed...
by dukelogan
Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:45 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Marshals Question: Throat Protection
Replies: 53
Views: 1489

yep. its ust that simple. ive never understood the whole head tilting/wiggling a sword tip around concept. regards logan The rules only say the face grill must extend 1" below the chin; the tilting-the-head-back test is not now, nor has it ever been, a requirement. The gorget needs to protect t...
by dukelogan
Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:43 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Marshals Question: Throat Protection
Replies: 53
Views: 1489

the sword never tuched him? why would he call it good? in a crown finals i was fighting duke havorc. he threw a thrust from about hip level as i threw a high wrap which he ducked. we were forced to fight dual weapon. anyway, his sword went into my helm right by my jaw and stopped under my earlobe. w...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:00 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Xpost: Ultrasound Pain relief/Non-invasive Ultrasound?
Replies: 5
Views: 146

i dont have an ultrasound machine. what i have is the electric stimulation thingy. it is a tens, empi model infinity. its pretty good although i wish the amps would go higher. on my elbow its fine and puts out plenty, on my shoulder i crank to its highest setting and wish it had just a wee bit more ...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:33 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Xpost: Ultrasound Pain relief/Non-invasive Ultrasound?
Replies: 5
Views: 146

Re: Xpost: Ultrasound Pain relief/Non-invasive Ultrasound?

ive hd many hours of deep ultrasound. ive always had them set to the highest level. the idea is that they basically heat the tissue deep into the body. ive felt some sensation but ive never found the treatment offers any real relief that i noticed. wet heat has always worked better for me as has ele...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:24 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: New sword and new pain in the elbow
Replies: 19
Views: 764

golfers elbow is one possibility. another, much more severe, possibility is that you have injured your ulnar collateral ligament. this ligament attaches to that knob and runs up at an angle to your ulnar bone. you need to see an ortho and possibly have an mri. having just had ulnar collateral ligame...
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:19 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Awesome Tourney Pictures
Replies: 62
Views: 1868

yes. if they will not call a blow "not good" when it clearly is flat they are violating the rules and robbing the man struck by way of allowing a non-valid blow to defeat him. that, in all ways, is terrible and abhorant. regards logan So? The west makes a habit of breaking the rules then?
by dukelogan
Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:15 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Awesome Tourney Pictures
Replies: 62
Views: 1868

marshals call flat shots flat. it has nothing to do with waiting to see if the fighter throwing the blow calls it or not. the marshals should be trained enough to see the blows land, the hand position, the angle the blow is thrown, etc to be able to make the call. sadly most marshals are simply out ...