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- Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:41 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
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Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Well I don't think I'm in the wrong group. My persona is early Roman/Greek. I wouldn't have worn leg armor. So there's really no way to make 'that' look period. So I chose something leather to match my kit and I had the winged horse which was taken directly from a Greek vase to add to my early peri...
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:59 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Ok that is the SCA official web-page description. The reality is vastly different and to maintain otherwise is engaging in fantasy. If the vast majority of the SCA "are in the wrong group" then perhaps you may be the one who is incorrect. Not everyone has the time resources or ability to ...
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:11 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
No, I am not. I have made period looking armours that meet SCA minimum for many periods. Just like your new legs, they are designed using modern, SCA design cues, and not period design cues to meet SCA requirements. They are nicely made, but not very historic/ period looking. This thread was started...
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:53 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Period Etching. Like with Acid
- Replies: 34
- Views: 700
Re: Period Etching. Like with Acid
Etched, for the reasons above and because it is a film prop, etching being cheaper and quicker than engraving. Well knowing how often more complex modern techniques are used over a simpler ones, I would not rule out this being laser engraved. As an example, for "Escape from the Smithsonian&quo...
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:32 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: My new leg armor
- Replies: 5
- Views: 446
Re: My new leg armor
Nicely made SCA armour
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:29 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Sigurd, You have just given the most common dodge in the SCA playbook. I didn't ask you to look at the images and show me a "living history" version of these in history. I asked for a "pre 17th C equivalent" now perhaps equivalent is to strong a word, so how about an example of a...
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:43 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
I am not picking on anyone in these photos, I just Googled “SCA Fighter”. But can anyone show me the pre 17th C equivalent of any of these armours? I mean Google any time period and look at the types of armour being used, and compare it with the armour in these pictures and honestly tell me they are...
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:55 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
I'm confused here. In my kingdom (Atlantia), nonmembers can attend events but must pay a higher fee (the nonmember surcharge). I believe nonmembers can also fight if they're authorized. Does your kingdom have a rule that only currently paid members may be admitted to events? You are correct, there ...
- Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:46 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
I'm curious why there can't be a ban on visible plastic. As far as enforcing it that seems easy enough. If you show up on the field with any you are asked to replace it or remove yourself from the field. Read my earlier post. Visible plastic is not the big problem. It is that the overall look of ma...
- Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:22 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
(Edit: Marco added his post while I was typing) I am not sure if my point on new rules has been made clear. The "Banning", "covering up", "No plastic" will not solve the problem. The problem is much bigger than that and in a way that I don’t see how any “rule” will solv...
- Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:20 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Perhaps with more parties and tournaments for only those who want better looking gear, then people will “vote” with their attendance and support. Has been going on for at *least* 15 years at Pennsic...google "enchanted ground". And no one has any issues with it. You want to be exclusive w...
- Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:22 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
I think I see the issue. The SCA has no long term officials and as a result, enforcing any rule is difficult, unless that is, it exposes the SCA to legal action. As a result, the group will always settle to the average of it’s populace, and that average is dragged down by the lowest common denominat...
- Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:22 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: 14th Century Blackened Armor
- Replies: 15
- Views: 575
Re: 14th Century Blackened Armor
Do not believe ANYTHING BP has to say!
- Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:19 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Article about the history of the apple
- Replies: 9
- Views: 246
Re: Article about the history of the apple
Awesome, and Steve Jobs wasn't mentioned once...oops, you can delete this right?
- Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:15 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: BEGINNER reference pages
- Replies: 138
- Views: 3038
Re: BEGINNER reference pages
Grimbah, that is the problem, you don't think anyone in this "Historical recreation" group looks dumb.
- Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:14 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Ok, to all ye nay sayers: What if Pennsic evolved to become Burning man east? With steam punk, Goth, and so on? They are just having fun? What if we include members of the Single Action Shooting Society? Or Throw in World Con? I mean, Star Trek had a "medieval" episode, why not a few "...
- Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:41 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: BEGINNER reference pages
- Replies: 138
- Views: 3038
Re: BEGINNER reference pages
I have to completely disagree with the "Get em on the field" mentality. This is why the SCA looks so dumb. This is not a whatever it takes to fight group, it is a historic based group. If you want that, stick to LARP D&D or “B” movies and leave the SCA to the type of people who want to...
- Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:07 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Indeed setting up awards (many, like badges to be worn and seen by others) not only for nice kits, but also for improvement of kits, hard and soft. We are -I am sorry say- an award driven organization. Make awards for improvement and for people who help others improve. In 1983 I was instrumental in...
- Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:42 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Sigismund, My wife is from Finland and when she saw pictures of what my SCA hobby was, she was worried that she would never be able to "measure up" to the group. After a few events, just the opposite happened, she was so turned off by the hypocritical people and poor appearance, that she h...
- Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:11 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Oh, got it, sorry.
As for Idiot: I'm sorry, it is a bad habit, since one cannot change voice pitch and tenor on a post, sometimes I feel people need a verbal slap to get their attention, since reading the thread hasn’t seemed to work.
As for Idiot: I'm sorry, it is a bad habit, since one cannot change voice pitch and tenor on a post, sometimes I feel people need a verbal slap to get their attention, since reading the thread hasn’t seemed to work.
- Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:51 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Sigismund , I do not see how it was a well crafted response; it appeared to have no direct bearing on what was being discussed. Rhys, has posted many responses that in my mind defend the old SCA way of thinking, without hearing what was being suggested in this thread. The point I see with this threa...
- Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:37 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
I will agree that a person that has been in for a while should evolve, but to say that the new person should be decked out in late period decore is ridiculous... I tell new fighters NOT to go buy "fancy armor" until they are sure they want to do this. Then after they are sure, which for s...
- Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:52 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Are you saying someone made more than one of those helmets? EDIT: (My apologies in advance if I piss someone off, but come on...) I just looked up their site. "Ashcraft Baker has a 30 year history of making the best handmade, Highest Quality Armour for Medieval Enthusists" I'm sorry but if...
- Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:57 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
This is worse than Blankenshield.
My response above was also motivated by this thread. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140602&start=0
Am I seeing things or is this the same helmet as "Grimbah's" profile image? Could this be one in the same?
My response above was also motivated by this thread. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140602&start=0
Am I seeing things or is this the same helmet as "Grimbah's" profile image? Could this be one in the same?
- Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:12 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
A friend of mine that used to work at Disneyland told me something one time on our almost bimonthly visits to the happiest place on earth... we were standing around looking at the Fairies.. and when I commented about them she said "what fairies?" I said those ...right there....(pointing a...
- Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:29 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
"Yup, I's just wants to be midevil and don't yous forget it!"
Thank you for reminding me why I only go to Pennsic.
I can see the t-Shirt now:
"Occupy Pennsic:
Tochux, Pirates, Vampires and stick jocks forever,
proud to be the 90%"
Thank you for reminding me why I only go to Pennsic.
I can see the t-Shirt now:
"Occupy Pennsic:
Tochux, Pirates, Vampires and stick jocks forever,
proud to be the 90%"
- Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:10 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Thomas, While I see your point, I fear this may just force people to add more makeshift coverings for these offending objects, not spending the time improving the things that make SCA armour look so bad in general. These tabards and badly fit T-tunics are there to cover up non-period body armour and...
- Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:44 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: BEGINNER reference pages
- Replies: 138
- Views: 3038
Re: BEGINNER reference pages
It's just like history, a bunch of goofballs in armour fighting for their lord, and progressively advancing in skill & gear. Can you show me where this is written? Is a 14th century convention or a Roman one? On your first day of school did you wear a goofy looking mismatched outfit and on your...
- Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:28 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: BEGINNER reference pages
- Replies: 138
- Views: 3038
Re: BEGINNER reference pages
I’m sorry to disagree. I feel this is basically a good idea, although one that has been done before (Known world handbook I believe), but in this case I think the illustration depicts just what we don't want in the SCA. That is typical SCA goofball armour. I know you can say, it’s just reference and...
- Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:28 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
John, I hear your point, but human nature is such that we often "don't find the time" until an ultimatum or deadline is made. How many term papers are written on an "all nighter" the day before they are due. Why does the Post Office stay open special late hours on the last day of...
- Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:16 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
I understood you were agreeing, I just wanted to be clear that it would not take dropping a ton of money or spending hundreds of hours researching. Groups in Europe do it all the time. Like any "inspection" you have to deal with the overzealous abusing their power and those who feel persec...
- Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:02 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Vilhelm,
You bring up a good point. What if a fighter is given a probationary period in which they are allowed to fight in "Training armour", but after a set time (1 year?) they must pass a historic inspection as well as a safety inspection? Put those Laurels to work!
You bring up a good point. What if a fighter is given a probationary period in which they are allowed to fight in "Training armour", but after a set time (1 year?) they must pass a historic inspection as well as a safety inspection? Put those Laurels to work!
- Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:59 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Glaukos, I feel your opening rebuttal is perhaps a more extreme in its comparison than I am referring to. In a similar comparison the yours; Failure to go to fighter practice and develop skills that will win bouts and winning Crown are two very different levels of skills. When I started the ability ...
- Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:06 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
After I posted above, I thought, "What is the problem, is it exposed plastic? Would banning it help? So I looked through a number of photos from this year’s Pennsic and I have to say that the biggest thing I did find in the photos that screams "SCA" (to me), is the poor attempt at mak...
- Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:38 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
- Replies: 363
- Views: 5146
Re: Is there a "NO PLASTIC. PERIOD" Movement in the SCA?
Yup. I have tried for 30 years to inspire people, as have many, many others, but as you have pointed out without creating and enforcing rules on kit acceptability and outright banning people who don’t adhere to those rules, it isn’t going to change. Something I don’t think could be done even if you ...