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I like using light gauge steel. Its a great approximation, though the thickness difference can be an issue when working with articulation but just be aware of it and you'll be ok. If you're gonna be moving the steel a lot (major dishing or raising), I like cutting the piece with some extra all aroun...

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Frederich Von Teufel wrote:I'd certainly love to see an archive of all the Harleian manuscripts.

http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminated ... chMSNo.asp -> Select "Harley MS" from the Collection drop down, hit Search, enjoy.

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You are probably referring to ailettes. 1275-1325, conservatively. Debatable whether these were actually used as armour.

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Hey, no arts or metalworking experience before armouring. But I have been making armour on and off for 6-7 years now. I'm sure every armourer has a lot of tips for people starting out - and probably more insightful than mine - but here's a few: * Pay attention to extant pieces and other primary sour...

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The breastplate was a special situation. It was done with heat in someone else's shop. It was raised and it work hardened. Its also 4130 and a little thicker.

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Here's a painting I found. I wish I remembered where I found it. I'm not sure if this really represents what you have, but its a start.

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McCuistion wrote:You did this all cold, right? Did you mention the thickness of your 410 stainless?

Yes, all cold. 0.040" and 0.029".

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Yes. There are plenty of depictions of esquires wearing plaque belts. These were fashionable for nobility in general.

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There are a number of possible ways outlined in this thread . However, most often, the actual attachment method is obscured, and there are no extant pieces from this particular period to provide guidance. I personally use a small tie for the dagger, and a plate on the belt with a hole that a loop on...

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[edited - looking into this further]

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Funerary monuments represent only a segment of the population, but they're probably worth a look. I've documented 500+ female monuments (1300-1450), found here.

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Thanks for the comments, guys. I appreciate it. I did this by reading the AA and TOMAR, without a "real" armour shop - so if you're in that situation too - here's proof it can be done For those out there who are being inspired to jump in and try their hand at making such a suit could you t...

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No reason for the lack of strap. It might actually be useful to have one there though, because the poleyn tends to float away from the knee sometimes.

There is a leather loop on the back of the greaves, it just doesn't show up in the photos.

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Hi Wade, thanks for the comments. Like I mentioned above, the sabatons were built before the rest so they don't really go with it. In retrospect I should have left them off from the photo. The greaves could definitely use more shape but sadly I'm not skilled enough. I would be interested to hear the...

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The jupon is not padded. It has no functionality beyond displaying heraldry. The arming coat has one layer of batting. The sabatons were made before the greaves and for different turnshoes which is why there is some strangeness. I had the same problem with mail, thats why I went to Knuut - he does e...

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6 months ago I finished my new late 14th century kit. I put together a series of web pages detailing the process for some interested friends and I thought I'd share it here too. Making late 14th century armour A few notes: 1) I'm no expert - my methods probably aren't always the "right" wa...

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Added another 400 miniatures from 65 new manuscripts. Now the site covers 300+ manuscripts and contains 2,500+ miniatures!

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Here's the kit. The chapes (the metal points) aren't strictly necessary provided you seal the tips of the points, but they do look good. Beware though, they will dent and bend eventually if your kit sees use.

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Not all SCA grills stick out far, but a lot do and I've never figured out why. Maybe its to avoid any possibility of the grill hitting your face if you're speared hard, but really the helm padding and chinstrap should stop that, not a buffer zone between your face and the grill.

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Galfrid, do you have another picture or two of the inside of your arms? It looks like the straps are mostly in the top 1/4 or maybe 1/3 of the arms? If you think of it as a circle, mine were attached at 0*, 90*, and 270* spots; that may be why they didn't move well? Here's another photo. Yes, rereb...

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Josh, that dating is interesting. I know the bulk of that manuscript is dated to the 14th century (1338-44), but there are a number of folios attributed to a later artist (c. 1400 according to the Bodleian Library, owner of the manuscript), of which the linked miniature is from. So, possibly very la...

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In Germany and Bohemia, a scale fauld would be appropriate. Could you expand on this? I'm interested in seeing examples. I know there is plenty of evidence of this in the 15th, but I haven't seen much for the late 14th. The effigy of johann von wertheim shows what looks like a scale fauld. This eff...

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Ah, Galfrid, you are precisely the person I had in mind when I earlier mentioned historical practice of connecting spaulder lames to rerebrace. Could you post the picture of your arm harness again? Sure, here's the inside: http://effigiesandbrasses.com/static/misc/kit/arms.jpg Sorry, I meant to spe...

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I've seen a number of people say that the connected spaulders/pauldrons and arm harness limit movement. The ones that were historically connected, the rerebrace had a turner, which was a slot and roll that circled the whole piece, and allowed the arm to move inward and outward without binding. I kn...

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That is the brass of Sir John d'Abernoun III, dated approximately 1327 - well into the 14th century.

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A number of effigies depict this practice as well. For example: http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... 375/large/

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Yeah, sorry, I was directing my response towards the older posts. That line of rivets is visible on the pre-restored effigy as well.

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Hi Max, I made the arming coat myself, out of heavy weight linen for outside and in, with one layer of batting in between. I'm not particularly good at sewing, nor tailoring, so keep in mind that my advice may not be optimal. I too had to size down from the recommended size. I did extensive tailorin...

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Please note that this effigy has been heavily restored and painted in modern times. Drawing conclusions based on the paint would be fallacious.

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The animals don't have a specifically known meaning. They are not pets, as many are lions, dragons, or the like. The animal serves as a foot rest and is a tradition brought from earlier statuary. Other foot rests seen are literal foot rests or stools, or conquered enemies. Murdock: I've never heard ...

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There is also the Velislavova Bible from the Czech Republic, dated 1325-1349 (alternately known as the Velislai Biblia Picta).

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MJBlazek wrote:Thats really cool, and you pull it off well. What style of arming coat do you have?

I adapted Reconstructing History's RH021 pattern as an arming coat.

Here are some images of similar garments from manuscripts:
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/ ... ng%20Coats

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MJBlazek: Yes, I use it for SCA. I wear hidden kidney protection (a plate that velcros on to the inside of my arming coat). Cian: You bring up some very good points. It is interesting to note that specifically the Black Prince's effigy has a differently proportioned jupon than just about any other e...

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The following effigies have similar dags. The last two are of a different shape, but same idea. This style was apparently popular 1420-1450 or so. No idea what the actual garment is like though.

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... ingelheim/
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... arbrucken/
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... andscheit/
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... eckendorf/
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/friedrichs_i/
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... n_waldeck/
http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... schhausen/

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The couple is Ulrich II von Rosenberg (d. 1464) and Anna von Cronberg. The elbow on the far left belongs to Arnold von Rosenberg (d. 1447).

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