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Galfrid atte grene

Here's another: http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/john_wych/

This is the one I mentioned at practice as being of questionable provenance.

Galfrid atte grene

Yes, many tombs have been opened by curious victorian antiquarians or otherwise disturbed. No armour found.

Galfrid atte grene

This is a good question. I'm really interested in that suit on the far right ...

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http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/ ... 0helmet%22

This search has a bunch of examples from the 13th century and early 14th century that I've found in manuscripts. This is only representative, there are many more.

Galfrid atte grene

I developed my own pattern. Since its a full limb piece, it pretty much needs to be tailored per-person.

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Found a couple more strapped non-greathelms.

Antwerp Ressurection tetraptych
FranÃ§ais 2663, figure on the right - this one is tentative
Unknown - looking for the source ...

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Thus far it looks like all the examples of 14th C back protection have been of many-smaller-plates design. Here's another backplate in the style of the one Len posted. (Len - which manuscript is that from?) http://manuscriptminiatures.com/static/miniatures/cache/miniatures/original/139-14_gallery.jp...

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I'm a big fan of the HF Beverly knock off. Its cheap, makes deburring easy, and cuts everything short of helmet thickness.

Galfrid atte grene

But doesn't Sir Galahad look like he has back plates in this image. It reminds me of the Ralph Knevyton effigy. I agree, it seems similar, although Knevyton doesn't have a sharply defined waist. Also, the guy in the crown on the left illustrates my point from earlier - He has the same body shape as...

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I agree that it looks like something is worn underneath, but that might not actually have been the case. I can suggest two counters 1) sculpture presented an idealized figure, 2) men depicted in civilian garb in miniatures often have nearly the same profile as their armoured counterparts.

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I'm also interested in this question. There are many manuscript illuminations dated about 1400 that show back plates, but before this date the torso is nearly always covered with a jupon so there is no back or front visible. There are a few instances where just the front is used both pre and post 14...

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Here's the guy in question. http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/ulrich_von_werd

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I have a similar shirt. I never really felt a reason to blouse it - it "floats" well over my arming coat. Once you're used to the weight it'll be fine.

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Nice work. I find that adding shape beyond just the cone section and crease to a cuisse is helpful for both fit and strength. Its also important in order to achieve the correct look for this period.

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I just updated the website with 400+ new miniatures, so the total is now over 2,100. I've got dozens of manuscripts in the queue to be processed, so expect many more miniatures to be added in the coming months. Still interested in hearing from you if I'm missing a manuscript you know of. I'm especia...

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http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... hohenlohe/

You can see its just a little disk that hooks onto the brow.

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Those detachable nasal bars are called bretaches and are typically found in Germany and surrounding areas. They're around by 1350. Prior to that there are proto-bretaches that are basically just a fastener for the mail rather than an actual solid nasal.

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Attachment methods were more regional than a changing style. Side mounted in England, France and neighbors, and center mounted in Germany, Italy, and neighbors. Of course there are exceptions but thats the general rule. You can see this in plenty of period art.

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Gerhard von Liebau wrote:Like this?

Could you provide some more information?

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I found a reference in the other day to the belt being supported by a couple of hooks sewn into the clothing and from personal experience the tunic hook to support a heavy belt is still being used by the British Army in dress uniforms. Could you provide the source, please? I'm at the Crown tourney ...

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Michael Deth wrote:I found a reference in the other day to the belt being supported by a couple of hooks sewn into the clothing and from personal experience the tunic hook to support a heavy belt is still being used by the British Army in dress uniforms.

Could you provide the source, please?

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Unfortunately I don't have Medieval Warfare. My collection is pretty small.

The strapped bascinet is really neat (image here). I'm going to keep an eye out for other instances of this.

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Baron Alcyoneus wrote:There were bascinets with hinged nasals.

Do you have an example?

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vikingwannabe - Usually those figurines are based off art from the period like a sculpture. You should try to find out more about it.

Orazio Valori - Both those manuscripts are 15th century (1400, 1400-1415 respectively).

Angusm0628 - That effigy is from the 15th century (1421).

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Thats a good point - worn front & back. Doesn't seem unreasonable really, though it would be nice to see both types in one source. I actually found another rear-facing one in Arsenal 3479 that I missed before because I wasn't even checking the backs. I think its possible ailette further from the...

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Yep, both Arsenal 3479 and 3480 show a lot of ailettes among other oddities, like I mentioned. Dated to 1405.

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Ok, I got the miniature from Arsenal 3480 (click for picture). Interesting that its on his back. Perhaps just because thats the way the guy is facing?

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Russ Mitchell wrote:Need the heraldry and the context of the manuscript.

It is the "Death of Palamedes" from Royal 20 D I.

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Thanks, very helpful. Arsenal 3479 is online but it doesn't seem to be the one with the image in question. It does have a lot of other neat fairly unique stuff though. The book you mentioned is at the library here, I might stop by tomorrow and check it out.

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Viollet-le-Duc's books have to be taken with a grain of salt. His Victorian take on the medieval world certainly influenced his work. I would suggest looking to the sources he used rather than relying only on his interpretations. Also, the book in question is available online for free: m m While I ...

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Its not uncommon to see depictions of fully armoured guys with bows. Usually not mounted though.

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Here are a number of examples from effigies: Walter von Hohenklingen (1386) - I think most people using these were principally influenced by this one. Johann III von Rappoltstein (1361) Sir Edmund Cockayne (1403) Friedrich von Sachsenhausen (1411) - Already mentioned by Milan H. Walram IV von Nassau...

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The two figures in the upper right are wearing them in this miniature: Royal 20 C VII - f. 55v. However, they don't display personal heraldry.

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Viollet-le-Duc's books have to be taken with a grain of salt. His Victorian take on the medieval world certainly influenced his work. I would suggest looking to the sources he used rather than relying only on his interpretations.

Also, the book in question is available online for free:

http://www.archive.org/details/dictionn ... 05violuoft
http://www.archive.org/details/dictionn ... 06violuoft

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I'd work the piece from the inside over a creasing stake. In this manner you can put creases into a curved surface without disturbing the overall shape. The process is outlined in TOMAR.

Re: salt taste good though