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Galfrid atte grene

Similar experience here. Mine is 2 layers of heavy linen and a layer of batting, and I never really feel too warm. It does soak through every time though - I suspect that actually helps.

Nice to meet you, by the way.

Galfrid atte grene

You guys look great.

Galfrid atte grene

Maybe there is a detail I'm missing, but the French jupon looks pretty much like the English one. Here are some French examples from three different mediums. I suppose everyone knows how the English jupon looks. Also included a sleeved one. http://effigiesandbrasses.com/static/monuments/medium/simon...

Galfrid atte grene

Here's something interesting I ran across. This is the effigy of Lancelot, from Histoire du Saint Graal, illuminated around 1475.

Galfrid atte grene

There are also many of Boutell's books available in high resolution on archive.org - full listing.

Galfrid atte grene

There is a reference to a 1278 tournament at Windsor Park that states that ailettes were made from leather and a type of cloth called carda.

Effigies show a variety of ailettes both in terms of design and orientation.

Galfrid atte grene

I'm not sure in depth discussion of SCA requirements is appropriate for the Historical Research forum, but briefly, for English late 14th C, you need to add a cup (no concept of groin protection as we know it at this time) and something over your kidneys if you choose not to wear a back plate (not n...

Galfrid atte grene

There are a number of uncovered coats of plates on mid-century germanic effigies. Any other place, any other time, and you'd be harder pressed to find such a feature. Wilhelm von Bopfingen (1359) Otto von OrlamÃ¼nde (1340) Rezzo von BÃ¤chlingen (1350) (which you already know) Rudolf von HÃ¼rnheim (1...

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I can already feel the flames coming, but... honestly, living history grade SCA C14th kits are tricky, and a compromise. Period joint protection was not up to SCA standard Maybe for some times and places, but for example English late 14th C - the historical pieces are quite adequate in that case. R...

Galfrid atte grene

Same as the English (sleeveless), or with very short sleeves.

Galfrid atte grene

410 if you want stainless.

Galfrid atte grene

Here's the flickr page with all the info: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbell1975/4103332320/

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Lots of bazuband-like pieces (elbow-vambrace, one piece) on german sculpture in the 14th century.

Galfrid atte grene

Also something interesting I noticed, is that all the effigies I referanced are related. If you look at the entire Hastings effigy, the one I posted above, as well as others, appear off to the sides. There are also a number that are not from the Hastings brass. Thibaut de Pomollain (1330) - France ...

Galfrid atte grene

I think it should flow smoothly from the side of the head over the shoulders, right now it looks folded. That'll help stretch the weave and get rid of some of that excess in the front.

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Sometimes effigies with bascinets show the hinges/pivots mounted on the side (though of course the visor is removed).

Galfrid atte grene

By the way, the Wych effigy is possibly made much later. Some scholars think it is an attempt to copy the older style.

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There is no meaning, it is just a design style. The myth that the legs crossed (and other features) symbolizes a death in the holy land or a crusader is a 19th century invention.

Galfrid atte grene

Varukh, awesome transformation.

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well, did you attach the upper arm protection to the spaulder? if so I dont think that they are supposed to be (this will allow movement of arm up), and yes if the spaulder is dished more it looks nicer and feels better. It is actually correct to attach the rerebrace to spaulder. JoJo: Along with w...

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I use various size cut-off wheels. For the outside notches I do two cuts with a thin wheel, for the inside cuts I make two thin guide cuts, then use a big wheel to take out the center. Then I use jewelers files to clean up.

Galfrid atte grene

The coat of plates in that image is modeled after the statue of St. Maurice in Magdeburg, created c. 1250, so I'm not sure it would be appropriate. I'd be interested to see earlier evidence of COPs though.

Galfrid atte grene

Unfortunately not. Next year though!

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Its been awhile since I've had time to update - but the next batch is in! I'm now nearing 400 sources and 3,000 listed monuments. I've accessed a number of rare books by Gough, Chancellor, and Hefner-Alteneck for this update, so there are many better images available, along with newly-listed monumen...

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Gustav Johannes Losen wrote:I have been looking as well also trying to find brass or bronze loose flat rings.If anyone comes up with a source let me know as well.
Gustav

Cap-a-pie in the UK sells loose brass riveted rings. I picked some up recently.

http://www.capapie.co.uk/

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Effigies are great for a lot of things but not for dating, at least not more precisely than +/-15 years or so. Even if you know when the monument was commissioned, created, and installed into a church (records like these exist for some), the artist's choice about what style of armour to depict is st...

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I have a Knuut welded aventail but I figure the sizes are relatively similar. I have a small helm, so I just stitched the mail tightly (highly "compressed") to the aventail band. It rides as close to my face as is possible (without being stretched).

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Carnifex, nice kit. How do you like that fauld? Can you tell us more about the look you're going for?

Here's my kit. 1370-1390 England.

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By 1374 (his death), cased greaves would be most likely. Take a look at the greaves section on Doug Strong's analysis - its just about 100%.

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Here's a point sculpted on an effigy. Looks a like splinted rerebrace without a spaulder. Belgium, 1362 (a little past the period specified by the thread title, but such depictions are pretty rare, so I thought I'd post it anyway).

Galfrid atte grene

I'm not sure what this one counts as, but its from an effigy in London's Temple Church c. 1255.

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The sleeves extend to the wrist. The jupon is laced up both sides, yep. I'm wearing a solid globose breastplate under the jupon to achieve the appropriate profile. I also have a kidney plate hidden under the arming coat to meet SCA requirements.

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Here's the arm worn (theres also a full pic in the "post your kit" thread in the weapons forum). I imagine the construction would be similar for a splinted rerebrace, like you're talking about. The only thing I would watch out for is how the rerebrace rotates on your arm. Moving your forea...

Galfrid atte grene

I can't speak for splinted, but most late 14th century rerebraces, at least as depicted on effigies, are fully enclosed. They are attached to the spaulder. Exactly how we don't know since there are no extant examples. Here is how I did mine. It is a little different than the other approaches I have ...