The Armour Archive

Galfrid atte grene

By 1380, this had shrunk to the haburgeon when you could see it at all -- mid thigh and short-sleeved. Probably somewhat lighter constructed too, a somewhat more open weave to cut weight a little more -- larger link AR and about the same thickness of wire. A couple generations' experience had given...

Galfrid atte grene

My guess would be that Walter is wearing full length sleeves, based on the fact that nearly all Germanic effigies have this feature (where it can be seen). Your thoughts on Guillaume's monument seem about right to me. The only point I'd consider is that mail sleeves will sag down a bit in the arm po...

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The examples I have seen of the 14th c spaulder include ones that have a point on the cop and lames, and a couple with a creased ridge in the middle. I included that here. I'm trying to think back to remember what I have seen in effigy. I can't remember ever having seen a creased and/or pointed spa...

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Mine are 1.75" squares. I'm currently doing a survey of all effigies with plaque belts, from this I will be able to calculate a true average - but I'm not yet done with that particular project. My guess is somewhere in the 2" range, +/- 1/4" Galfrid, Would you be comfortable posting ...

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Probably full length sleeves. The shirt should fall somewhere around mid-thigh for 1380, nearer to the knee for 1350. If you base your look after a particular art piece or effigy, you could get a more exact idea of the correct length.

Galfrid atte grene

Mine are 1.75" squares. I'm currently doing a survey of all effigies with plaque belts, from this I will be able to calculate a true average - but I'm not yet done with that particular project. My guess is somewhere in the 2" range, +/- 1/4"

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You're looking at mail. The statue of Saint Maurice in Magdeburg shows what some call an "armored surcoat", but that (besides the helm) is the only non-mail I know. Someone else can probably cover the helm options better, but in general you're looking at a barrel helm (a number extant in G...

Galfrid atte grene

Here's my takes on the pipe stake:

It is a good cheap way to get some useful curves. I have yet to try using the inside surface though. You'd need a pretty big pipe for it to be useful for most stuff, I think.

Galfrid atte grene

Here's how I secured mine: http://i45.tinypic.com/f2j3es.jpg The rondel can't slide further up because the rattan is thicker. On the bottom side, I've drilled in a screw at about a 45 degree angle and carved a little indent in the rondel for the head. There is one on each side and the heads of the s...

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http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/ is a great page on Early Music (eg medieval, though other stuff too).

Galfrid atte grene

No worries, Cian. Thanks much for the followup. I gotta find that article by JG Mann - I wonder if it includes an image.

Galfrid atte grene

It means quiver according to all the sources I found. Try searching for it on Google Books, you'll find lots of information.

Galfrid atte grene

There are many similarities between the armour of the continent and that of England for that period. A few things that you pretty much always see in England, but not always on the continent: 1) Sleeveless jupon/surcoat over the body armour. This is essential. 2) Full limb armour (whether splinted or...

Galfrid atte grene

Can anyone identify any of the following monuments?

[img]http://effigiesandbrasses.com/static/misc/unknown_monuments.jpg[/img]

#1 is from England
#2 is likely from Poland
#3 is likely from Poland
#4 is likely from France or Germany
#5 is from Germany

Galfrid atte grene

The same photos can be found in Laking's A record of European armour and arms through seven centuries , vol 1. At the time of the publishing of that book, they were at the Royal Scottish Museum in Edinburgh. It looks like that book may be downloaded (and it even looks legal!) here: m Once it's fini...

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The same photos can be found in Laking's A record of European armour and arms through seven centuries, vol 1. At the time of the publishing of that book, they were at the Royal Scottish Museum in Edinburgh.

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Thanks for catching that, its a problem with the website. It should be fixed later today.

[edit: The issue noted above has been fixed. Thank you for bringing it to my attention!]

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Very interesting. I wonder if the "circle"/"annel" refers to a plaque belt or a livery collar (former seems more likely). Hopefully someone has some more information or insight. I think "fremail" might be similar or mean the same as "fermail", which is a clasp...

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I use a similar shape for certain stages of forming greaves. Mine is just an elbow pipe welded to barstock though.

Galfrid atte grene

For what its worth, there are a bunch of effigies that show a gap filled with mail between the front bottom edge of the greave and the top of the sabaton. That doesn't solve the other sides though.

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Just added 100 more monuments - focused on English 1400-1450, but there's a lot of other stuff in there as well. Someone in another thread mentioned that they still use Gothic Eye because it is easier to quickly view a lot of monuments, and that reminded me of a concept I had awhile back that I neve...

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I've never heard that backstory on the great bascinet. It dates from the early 15th century, not the 16th- so if true, said arms dealer must have been selling some fairly obsolete stuff. Can you tell us the source of your info? I don't recall that data at the British Museum, but it's been years sin...

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You should just be able to click the link and view it ... its on Google Books. Then I'd have to pay for it. It is in my universities library and I should be able to get my hands on it. It should be freely available in its entirety. It is long out of copyright. Kel's experience suggests not everyone...

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You should just be able to click the link and view it ... its on Google Books.

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Try the journal from which the image was taken. Archaeologia cambrensis Vol 7, page 188-190

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I believe this is the bascinet in question. I suppose the paint is quite faded.

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Tasha - I purchased most of the translations. I found a way to have it done cheaply, but the trade-off is quality of course. I'm certainly interested in hearing your suggestions - as well as those of anyone else.

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effigiesandbrasses.com is now available in six languages: English, Russian, Polish, German, French, and Italian (in order of visitor frequency). Hopefully this will increase accessibility for the many users from countries that do not use English as a primary language - about 40% of total visitors. M...

Galfrid atte grene

William Clito d. 1127

Galfrid atte grene

I went through and tagged most of the effigies on effigiesandbrasses.com that have these chains. There are 60. The full list is here . I am not sure how common they are but do not think they make up the majority of effigies in any area at one given time. But if you like them give them a try! The mos...

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Chains such as these can be found on tomb monuments in Germany, France, Italy, and England. They pretty much always secure the weapons (sword and dagger) but also occasionally there is a third that attaches to the greathelm.

Galfrid atte grene

Forgive my ignorance about such matters, but on these monuments/effigies, are there in some cases the physical remains of the knight/woman/clergy member actually in or under the effigy? And are they dressed in armour? And however creepy/sacreligious it is, has there ever been a respectful exhumatio...

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This helm looks great!

Galfrid atte grene

Someone posted a find of scale at a site in the american southwest dating to the early Spanish colonial period. That would be the late end of the timeline. Perhaps someone with better search skills can find the thread and article. The article can be found here (pdf) . The author believes the scales...

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Sounds like fun to me. Also probably a good way to figure out which bits of armour are fit poorly.