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Chef Actually, in 'period', the distinctions were made. Many inventories of the late 14th century list 'pairs of plates', and brigandines - they are two different things. Interesting. I've only ever seen the distinctions between Coat of PLates and Brigandine as a temporal thing -- ie: any armour of...

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The studded silk armours shown on that page are very abstracted ceremonial takes on Brigandine. I suspect that the downwards overlapping lamellar is a curatorial mistake -- as they are very standard plates that are normally seen overlapped upwards. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of...

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Yep Kikko. I'd forgotten the word. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http://ww...

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horsefriend No -- the one in the book was full fingered -- everything of scales. But I haven't the foggiest on the period. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroa...

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IMHO - The distinction is artificial. TO put what Erik said somewhat on its head historical texts seem to sometimes use tecnical terms very inaccurately and words often changing meaning through time. In other words -- in period the terms were interchangeable and did not specify a distinction. The at...

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I've heard alot of people badmouthing fingered gauntlets for SCA. At the very least, you need to be damnably sure of them. Mitten gauntlets are easier to get SCA right without making them undully bulky. One way to modify them for "inapropriate periods" is to flute them into finger shape. Another (an...

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me: Can we put that bottom hole higher up on the plate (like just ABOVE the lower set of paired holes) ?? Rev: <I>Ok norm that's just weird. ... Most of us are envisoning the overlap as shown in the pic above. Are you enviosoning it overlapping with both the center holes, and half the side holes? W...

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Lamellar or banded cuises/skirts. have these run beyond the knee and suspend a simple knee attached to the skirt, underneath. This is not really so accurate for extreme Northern Europe - but plausible for a well traveled nobleman (well, the skirt really -- not the coups). ------------------ Norman J...

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If I go in on this, I'd get 1000 "B" plates. NOT aluminum What are the dimensions on the two different "B" plates?? Why does the stubby-B have a triangular cut-out? -- it should be identical to the other one, just stubier. Can we put that bottom hole higher up on the plate (like just ABOVE the lower...

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The issue remains -- What is your question about this?? Or are you just bragging? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities....

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Funny, my garage is dryer than my basement. I have sheets what's been in there for over two years now -- still shiny. Ya gota know your garage. But it's like half the size of yours (nay - far smaller - it would fit one car lengwise) ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road -...

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If you mean a Western European Bascinet with a Western European Anime. I'm fairly comfortible saying - NO The Bascinet was long gone by the time the Anime came around. If you just mean generically a helmet with a swing up hinged faceplate and a chest defense of bands articulated in some way, then th...

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Man, if I were only single...

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Baculus, At least on the "B" (I couldn't care less about the "D") - The holes should symetrical - so flipping them over should give you the "backwards" version. Yes rotating would not work, but flipping would. I like the earlier version of the "B". What are the spec differences?? As for the initial ...

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Try front buckling (like a shirt). I agree with Dmitry -- the overlap as you have it just looks weird and detracts from your wonderfuly period apearance. ...my immediate thought was that you had it on backwards and inside out. Dmitry, While generally agreeing that Lamellar should overlap upwards. I ...

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Harbourfreight is actually just the distributor in the US for a Chinese shear. Insidentally, I just set up my Harbourfreight sheer this weekend. It handled like a dream. But it's based on the B1 not the B2 -- so 14 gua mild is likely your maximum. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of ...

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Now this is just a personal opinion but -- Where I see splints separated in space, I would guess that what you've got is alternating splints -- one inside, one outside - that overlap. ...if I don't misremember, many of the art pieces show rivets on the areas between the outer splints. Certainly, if ...

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Why not use a lighter guage and overlap them a little?? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red...

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What is your question? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http://www.geocities....

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Any way to get around that ???? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http://www.g...

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HOw'd you do that?? As I sees it, we got a batch of articles that can be stuck together to make a personna. Whatever you do, make sure it's all linked and atributed ... show me when you're done for aproval of how you modified. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http:...

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It's a Central Asian game. Even when living in a Pakistani refugee camp at starvation level, Afghanis still play it. The right way, you need horses though. Here's a description (though I think the atribution to Chingis Khan is likely not accurate and it is older than the Mongol incursion... but I ha...

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Ok, so far about 50% of us want the "B," and another half wants the Wisby-D. Umm, could we make a backwards-"B," would that be possible? Or is that a silly notion that no one is going to accept? Um, You turn the plate around and it'll be backwards. Or am I missing something here?? -----------------...

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Just in case you want a very basic persona-in-a-box for Eastern Europe or Asia, take a look at the Red Kaganate (URL below). At this point, I think we have enough info to make a very (very) basic persona and gear without further research. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk ...

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As you eat your Swan, stow all the bones, grissle, and other inedible bits in your sleeve, Then, when you get up to dance, fling your arm outwards theatrically. http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/biggrin.gif ...well, at least that's what a proper lady does if she follows the example of the Skazki ----...

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And I still can't see the bloody page !!!! ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - h...

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I just started working with a Ukranian kid (guy just got here like 1 year ago) - he did "Tolkienist" steel fighting there: "protective equipment - what's that?" "standardised, blunted weapons - what's that?" "blow calibration?" Then there was the kid from Kiev that was fencing with our SCA group cou...

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I vote Yes for the "B" (with a center hole) and emphatic NO for the "D" ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewish...

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Still can't get to the damned page!!! ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http:/...

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Sorry, Citations tend not to stay in my head. Look through art books on "Northern Renaisance" I think the period is Exactly where you want it. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.e...

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Well, I have seen Western images with a scale skirt and a breastplate. Maybe one could assume it is a done thing with a CoP as well ?? and you don't have to make tons of little scales, make larger ones. ...and you could lace/sew instead of riveting. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour o...

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Fearghus, I've been advocating that aproach all along !!! Rather vocifirously. I ...think ...I'm in agreement with the chef. The SCA is closest to the TOurnaments with various battons (whalebone and whatnot) ...with the obvious lack of horses. ...also, there was a Roman sport where the participants ...

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Keeping in mind my complete ignorance of the politics and sociology of the period... I have seen photos and a sketch of the insides of an Anime circa 1520ies, made by the Greenwich armouries (have no idea whether I spelled that right -- you know - the folks what worked for Henry VIII). That gives yo...

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He He Yehudah, Sounds like regardless your protestations to fopishness, you want to be an Easterner/Turk/Byzantine. Listen to your inner Turk http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/biggrin.gif (that was, incidentally an implicit Yes -- look at Russian images mid-13th cent onwards ...then there's that Polo...