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Norman

I also vote against any sort of "quickie rivet". While i tend to prefer sewing as well, Ernst really overstates the case. Rivets were quite common. ...and a pattern of three was popular at least in the East (take a look at my armour history site ...the photo of hardened leather scales) If I were goi...

Norman

If you're still fishing for stuff in a Indo-Persian motiff, the bosses I seen tend to be pretty shallow (but nicely worked -- often with spiraling flutes) -- Personally, I'd go with 16 guage. Further note -- most of the central boss stuff really tends to be either Turkish or early. If you go with a ...

Norman

So -- no-one interested in following up on my offer?? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red K...

Norman

Come to think of it , by the 10th century did Celts even have a cultural identity ? Or were they absorbed into other populations ? Rome was pretty sucessful in destroying them, as I recall. Picts, Scotts, Irish, Welsh (Cymru), those guys in France whose name I forgot... all of these except the Pict...

Norman

I found it odd that the following was not mentioned -- a Ribbon (or kerchief) - just like colored tape except its made of cloth and you can tie it to the helmet or bicep ...or whatever else. quick and easy to attach and detach ...and "period" in a generic sort of way. and no problem with period spec...

Norman

the guy's whole point was not to get restrictive and legalistic , Norm.... Um, sorry guys. With my training and experience, hard to avoid that sometimes. http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/biggrin.gif ...and your idea, Russ, is intriguing, so I been running with it a bit. ------------------ Norman J....

Norman

Urm, the naked Woad painted thing ...and all that other "Rome's Enemies" stuff is not really relevant for someone doing 10th century. That's right smack in the middle ages there -- past the Coopergate helm even. The maile with cheek and backplate helmet is good advice for the general state of things...

Norman

Many of my non-Christian friends have Christian personas if they are playing medieval nobles, and they have no problems with that, and several Christian friends have Muslim personas. When I was doing a lot of Landsknecht re-enacting, 1/3 the group were mundanely Jewish playing as either Lutherin or...

Norman

...but, to take with the other what was given with one hand -- From what I can gather, Madus would pretty much be the stuff used by rebelious Hindus. ...all in all, when it comes to swords, it was the basic Saber and StraightSword that won and held India in period. ------------------ Norman J. Finke...

Norman

I don't know if the folks here are using their terminology rightly. The terms Katar and Pata have nothing to do with weapon size (far as I can remember). In both cases weapons are possible from dagger length to really long Long Swords. The difference is the degree of hand coverage. The Katar just ha...

Norman

marcidius, Where did you see them two handed scimitars? The one time I saw something what I thought was s'posed to represent such (in a period piece) was actually a representation of Germans with GrossMessers (using them pretty much like the straight and Flamberge Two-Handers). The other one was a s...

Norman

Just to possibly rain on your parade a bit, If I remember correctly, the Pata derives from the Katar via a slow increase in hand protection. I believe it is entirely post-period - around 18th century or so. I think that within period all you have is the basic Katar. But the only materials I have on ...

Norman

Seems to me, we're best leaving the stamp there and getting the full ordering details to use it. That way you can't have one guy running off with the dye (unless its you, but that would be fine for all the effort you put in that time). ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Roa...

Norman

<I> I suspect this is why the SCA disallows ANY Saber cuts -- even more so the full wind-up mouline. I suspect this is regional. Rex Ansteorra here had no problem with me throwing something from a moulinet.</I> I meant in "non-armoured" fighting (ie: foil, epee, schlager). I think I've at his point ...

Norman

Not really, As I remember, he is fishing for info on doing an Indo-Persian personna. So all the "find one in Western Europe" comments just lose all relevance. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armour...

Norman

After digesting the article a little bit -- Russ, Trying to understand what you mean by "chambering" -- Is the jist of it to allow only mouline (sp?) cuts whatever the weapon? a couple of doubts that strike me - 1) safety issue - as a one-time Saber fencer, I can tell you that a substantial amount o...

Norman

And from what I understood at the time, the company kept the die they made -- so we can reorder from them anytime minus the $500 die cost. Hopefully Apocalypse (I think it was him) will post here and let us know the details. I think anyone who wants to reorder just needs a copy of the original order...

Norman

Um, you really don't need patterns for Chahar Ai Ne -- they tend to just be four rectangles. The ones at the underarm have a cut-out. But, a warning, they are likely either not period or are very late period. Have you looked at my "Armour of the Silk Road" site ?? (URL below) ------------------ Norm...

Norman

Go to his article "The Perfect Armour" http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/perfect_armor.html and skim down to Figure 6. If you can, open my Lamellar How To http://www.geocities.com/kaganate/howlamlr.html in a second window and skim down to the heading "Vertical Lacing" (yes, I know I have less tha...

Norman

You know that always made me wonder too. Only benefit i could see would be aesthetic. You mean the benefit of the historical design or of Cariadoc's redesign? Edit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, I just noticed, you're all atributing the fi...

Norman

Here it is, unpolished and prior to getting permission for the pic. http://www.geocities.com/kaganate/canefnc.html It will, once I get permission (assuming they give it to me) be linked from http://www.geocities.com/kaganate/weapons.html You may be interested in an article or two that's there now. -...

Norman

Grr, don't rub it in ...I had to opt out of attending. ...will check e-mail ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/je...

Norman

you can add some URLs to that word file then, I'll add them in. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors...

Norman

The whole point of the Scimitar/Saber is that it was light ...if I'm remembering correctly, the word Scimitar is a corruption of the Persian "Shamshir" - lion's tail - named for the way it could be whipped lightly about. You definitely do not want a massive two-handed one. All of the large Eastern s...

Norman

Just so you know -- there is no evidence for Leather Bazubands. Also, don't have a pattern scanned, but if you look at the photo here you may be able to figure out (look at the Jpeg itself ...it is substantially shrunk to fit the html page) http://www.geocities.com/normlaw/page10.html ...ah, this is...

Norman

My vote is 1.5" X 3", 9 holes or the "B" shape -- 1.5 X 3.5", same pattern of holes as the Birka plate but with the extra hole we left out, with the cutout making the "B" shape ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk R...

Norman

Righto - the Dura Europos find is earlier ...Roman period, I think its 3rd or 4th cent. No -- silkroad.com is not mine. Last I checked all the silkroad domain names were taken by others. And sorry guys, I'm not up on the Byzantine stuff (only reference it as I hit it in looking at Turkic stuff) Far ...

Norman

Just a note of criticism -- the plate labeled "My Lamella" has no archeeological counterpart -- as opposed to all the ones on its right (except that the Birka plate should have that one extra hole) its big problem is the way the holes at the top are placed ...note how in every historical piece they ...

Norman

Hmn, I'll talk to the wife about it. ...it's a Brooklyn backyard and a garage too small for a car, but certainly better than an apartment. We'd have to find a three day weekend though (since I can't start any sort'a thing till Saturday evening after dark - round bout 9 or more in the Summer) For tho...

Norman

Gorgeous work !!!

Norman

This weekend is it?
My how time and family get in the way...

Guess, I won't get to go

Have fun y'all!

Norman

Russ, would you want to do up a few sketches and a paragraph or several for "The Red Kaganate"?? If you're not much for drawing, give me some stick figure ideas and I'll do the sketches. It sounds interesting. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.c...

Norman

Go to the Red Kaganate (URL below) and find "How to make Lamellar" 2 inches is IMHO too wide for lamellar. Let me know the price quote you get. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www....

Norman

Why is fiberglass or aluminum relevant to the "authenticity" of a movie armour? It's a movie - IMHO - the only issue is what the stuff looks like on the screen. Re. Alexander Nevski -- Putting aside the buckets on the knights and the Nazi helmets on the Teutonic footmen, there are period issues with...

Norman

As with most things, it's not the matter the helmet bowl is constructed in, it's what's done with it afterwards. It's not the spun-tops themselves that are ugly, it's the fact that the maker often hasn't taken any care in how he put the spun-top together with the grill, and the backplate, and... Per...