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by Norman
Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:26 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Wax hardened scales
Replies: 9
Views: 5

then I thought about the fact that this is not going to be a period suit of armour anyway

If you're going to all that trouble,
why not have it a period suit?

And have you considered water as the hardening medium?
by Norman
Wed Aug 22, 2001 9:46 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Turkish art at Goldend Gate park, SF
Replies: 8
Views: 11

So -- Anyone know if this is coming to New YOrk? Or did I already miss it? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jew...
by Norman
Wed Aug 22, 2001 9:43 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: The use of tinning in period
Replies: 13
Views: 17

Don't know about later period, but the Romans tended to Tin their Bronze helmets and scale. ...the scales found at Massada (I suppose you can call it Judeo-Roman) were tinned. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Ro...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 5:24 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Medeival tatoo
Replies: 37
Views: 40

But of course this has gotten SO far off topic, its not funny anymore... Righto - If you're interested, we can go to off topic, or (since it seems to be just the two of us) drop me an e-mail and I'll give you my uneducated understanding on the Biblical laws of sexuality and their evolution in Judai...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 3:08 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is there interest in a rapier version of Saint Olaf?
Replies: 9
Views: 6

Yehudah, You're a real contentious boy. Taking law school too serious are you? (maybe that's a good thing - maybe if I took it more serious I wouldna changed professions http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif ) I'm not sure I agre with you there. A thrust from a rapier or estoc (both primarily t...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:59 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Medeival tatoo
Replies: 37
Views: 40

the statutes on homosexuality (or "men lying with mankind as woman kind" a real confusing translation, which could mean bi sexuals, or merely MFM threesomes) "homosexual" or "bisexual" are not terms relevant to the "Old Testament" -- the statute prohibits the behavior of "lying with man..." -- real...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:25 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letters A and B)
Replies: 14
Views: 61

Dispute -- Bar Grill - There are several helmets at the Met with Bargrills (I believe they are all Zichages and Burgonets Brigandine: a body defence of small plates riveted to a cover and lining of fabric. NORMAN: WRITE DEFINITION FOR "WORLD ARMOUR" I'm not certain what is being asked -- By "world a...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:13 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Arabic Armor
Replies: 4
Views: 36

Sage -- What Pauly said and more -- Not to suggest that this is your case, but -- When people just get into the SCA, they have some vague idea of "East" or "Middle East" vs "Western Europe" ...with "Japan" on the far end. ...then Eastern Europe and Central Asia and Africa all get lumped in the Middl...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:27 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is there interest in a rapier version of Saint Olaf?
Replies: 9
Views: 6

The big issue id one of deciding what's effective. For example, with a real weapon, is a chop equivalent to a thrust? This would, presumably depend on what the weapon is, and what armor you wear. This is where I am concerned in the difference between our goals. I'd like a rule set that makes a thru...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:18 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Medeival tatoo
Replies: 37
Views: 40

Ian -- Not to have a substantive discussion about the difficult issue of general aplicability of biblical commandments (go visit the "Off Topic" board for a thread where this is an issue), But how does your assertion relate to Tatoos? Is this one of the laws that has been negated? Can a Christian ge...
by Norman
Tue Aug 21, 2001 10:38 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: "Eastern armour" or XIX century fencing defence?
Replies: 8
Views: 19

Looks like the drape on my parents' fireplace. Why would it be a fencing defense? Seems like a simple leather coat would be better. I think (with no evidence either way) that there is no reason not to think it is some really really crappy Munitions type "maile". (there's some real crappy stuff in Am...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:06 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letters U, V, W, and Z)
Replies: 15
Views: 26

Zarukav - Russian term for Vambrace. Possibly a particular vambrace with no elbow protection - just two plates of equal size enclosing the forearm.
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:04 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letters H, I, J, K, and L)
Replies: 18
Views: 45

Kolontar (Russian) an armour of plates attached to each other with maile Lamellar - an armour of small plates punched and laced to each other with thongs (or the small plates used for such armour) ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oly...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:59 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letters M, N, and O)
Replies: 11
Views: 28

Mirrors - small discs worn over the solar plexus and the corresponding part of the back. Sometimes another two are worn at the sides of the body and all four are put together on a leather harness (see also Zertsalo, Chahar Ai Ne) Naruch (Russian) - see Bazuband - the Russian defense commonly has a l...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:44 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letters U, V, W, and Z)
Replies: 15
Views: 26

Seems to me that an entry for "Wisby Coat of Plates" is both too specific and too general. It's just a particular find -- should there be an entry for every site? Rather, seems that this belongs at "C" for Coat of Plates. Add -- Y Yushman - an armour of plates overlapping vertically and connected by...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:35 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letter C and D)
Replies: 24
Views: 47

Coat of Plates - a type of armour made of plates attached to the inside or outside of a garment. The most famous European set with internal plates is those found at Wisby, the most famous European reference to external plates would be illustrated in the Romance of Alexander. The Earliest set is worn...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:03 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Varangian Bra
Replies: 5
Views: 12

Nope -- never did. You wanna resend it? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:02 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Collapsible crossbow
Replies: 1
Views: 7

There is a thread on this in the "Authenticity" forum. It seems that the general concensus is that this is probably made up for the show. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.entera...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:58 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letter C and D)
Replies: 24
Views: 47

CLibanion might be Greek for Lamellar. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http:...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:54 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: A Project for All Members (Letters A and B)
Replies: 14
Views: 61

Corrections -- Banded Maile when defined as maile with leather thongs through it is not disputed -- actual artifacts exist. There are however alternative definitions - which are not likely to have existed. I don't think they're describable in one or two sentences. Brigandine in "World Armour" (when ...
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:29 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Is there interest in a rapier version of Saint Olaf?
Replies: 9
Views: 6

Yehudah, As I understood your previous message -- you want to use Schlager with both the cut and thrust possible. So do I. In this sence I meant our goals are the same. I'm not sure it will make any difference if you're thinking of your schlager as a rapier, while I think of it as a ...more broadly....
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:07 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Marshals Please - Heavy Gorget standards
Replies: 21
Views: 12

But Rev., that would defeat the purpose!

I'm firmly against any sort of unperiodism that can be helped.
If the particular period style is not worcable for the game I'll find another --

Right now Im trying to figure up whether it is or is not worcable.
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:13 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Medeival tatoo
Replies: 37
Views: 40

...they are pretty straighforward in thiern nature

except that the disease translated as leprousy is not.

...and nothing in Jewish law is as simple as it looks. Image
by Norman
Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:10 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Varangian Bra
Replies: 5
Views: 12

That's 'cause I probably never call it a "Varangian Bra". It would be the "Mirror and Brassier Armour" page -- http://www.geocities.com/normlaw/page3.html ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - ...
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 1:27 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Look here for oxygen cylinders!
Replies: 20
Views: 7

Assuming shipping as mentioned, I'm certainly interested. You put the weld in, I'll grind it smooth myself. (I believe this is option two) However, I would like to see pics and dimensions of what's available. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.co...
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 1:08 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Look here for oxygen cylinders!
Replies: 20
Views: 7

Loren, While interested, Shipping charges seem to be determinitive. Considering the assumed weight, I can imagine them getting quite substantial. Any idea on the shipping to New YOrk (I'm thinking a piece just a little taller than the dish itself ...with enough extra so that I can cut in tabs to riv...
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:14 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: light weapons gear?
Replies: 15
Views: 14

Sorry -- Turns out I actually meant Museum Replicas: http://www.museumreplicas.com/home.htm I know there is a business called "medieval replicas" - but I have no idea what they offer. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The...
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:11 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: light weapons gear?
Replies: 15
Views: 14

There was no password last time I went to look.
I don't know.
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:53 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: light weapons gear?
Replies: 15
Views: 14

LOGOS You'd have the same problem if you try and commision any helmet -- for heavy or light. However, if you're willing to modify things yourself, for a light helmet you can look at the ready made Indo/Pakistani imports. Check what Medieval Replicas has. ...I think Albion Armouries retails these thi...
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:48 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What can I put on my shield if I have no device?
Replies: 35
Views: 34

You DO NOT need to submit or pass a device!!!! (but putting someone else's device on your stuff is in poor taste) If you think a dog is apropriate put a dog on the shield. Just read up on the subject and draw the stuff in a style apropriate to your place/period. ...another suggestion, since your per...
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:39 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Medeival tatoo
Replies: 37
Views: 40

Rev George -- Yes, in modern (Observant) Judaism Tatoos are forbidden based on the law against scarification. I have never looked at the reasoning in detail though. However, Fearghus' stepgrandfather was mistaken (it is however a common misunderstanding). The notion of Tshuva (roughly translatable a...
by Norman
Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:28 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Common knowledge? (long)
Replies: 40
Views: 51

Let's see -- Novgorod had general public education. Literacy was just about as common as today -- as evidenced by numerous doodles, love notes, invitations... The Golden Horde was more Turk then Mongol Turk and Mongol empires standardly carried out a policy of not just religious tolerance but religi...
by Norman
Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:24 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: New York Western martial Arts Event
Replies: 6
Views: 6

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by Norman
Thu Aug 16, 2001 3:42 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: light weapons gear?
Replies: 15
Views: 14

A helmet for Fencing with schlager/epee/foil is realy no different to make than one for fencing with rattan. ...except that its lighter and fewer compromises of "periodness" need to be made. I don't see why any armourer would not take such a commision. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armou...