The Armour Archive

Norman

Hmn, But Rev, what you describe as the "lumberyard" aproach was certainly used in the Middle Ages -- "you shall not contribute to a person making a living as a poisoner and necromancer" (more commonly translated as "you shall not suffer a witch to live") was used as an excuse for burning and hanging...

Norman

Brodir - It's the all important matter of STYLE I am thinking of alternative reconstructions a particular period piece. The reality of the situation is that I will most likely have an Aventail -- maile at least - but probably lamellar. But I want to explore the full issues of the gorget as envisione...

Norman

Bone lamellar is used extensively in Northern Eurasia (Siberia and the like). Metal would be the normal armour metal of the time/place -- I understand that modern "mild steel" is close to steel used for armour in period. Copper based metals were also used (brasses and bronzes of various sorts -- wha...

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He probably meant the other RUssian helmet represented in that book. ...although that does not fulfil Yehuda's requirements -- since it is pointy. Myself, I have recolections of round nasaled spangenhelms in Eastern contexts all the way through the 14th century Golden Horde, but I'd have to go back ...

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Not meaning to sound snotty Not at all. YOur input is apreciated, and further input will be welcome. I understand that EVERY piece of armour in the end has to get inspected by a marshal on site, but there are certain things that sound just dumb, other things that sound good...etc. So I'm trying to ...

Norman

Make a dished oval spaulder and attach that to lames for the rebrace. You can take the metal arm defenses at the following page as a basic example (just increase the size of the spaulder if you're alergic to bruises): http://www.geocities.com/normlaw/bandpics.html ------------------ Norman J. Finkel...

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<I>quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A second separate question -- the efficacy of a "choker" of 18gua mild lamellar over this quilted product? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Over the 4x4? Should ...

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Dmitry, The "trend setter" in American "historical fencing" has been the SCA which forbids fencing with full weight steel swords. Their most popular style uses Rattan sticks to simulate swords. Their secondary style (which is what I was thinking of when I posted the "good and bad rules" thread) uses...

Norman

I'm gonna quote a batch of people out of order and without attribution. I hope I do not offend -- My math is a little rusty, but wouldn't 4 layers of 4 ounce veg-tan leather be pretty thick?????? FIrst off -- specifically NOT vege-tan -- the other stuff, the textured kind that you can't tool or hard...

Norman

with an aventail, you can wear a bow tie and be legal IMO. I want it legal by itself. The aventail would be a bit of added precaution on my choice. Id suggest taking the layers, glueing them all together with rubber cement around an oval the approximate size of your neck THEN cutting them to shape....

Norman

D'yall think a gorget of 4 layers of 4 ounce leather is equivalent to one made of one layer of 16 ounce leather? Better? Worse? I'm talking the non-vege-tan stuff. Thinking of making a quilted standing collar as per above (4 layers of soft-tanned 4 ounce leather stiched together). Is it SCA-legal? G...

Norman

Nope, Sorry. If you make up something like that, I'd love some. Try searching through Turkish and Persian (Iranian) cultural and Tourist sites. ...Russain too (for a blending of Scandinavian and Turkish motiffs) Also, most of the --Stans have a Web presence. (ie: Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan...) -------...

Norman

How far does your Saxon mercenary like to travel? Shoulder coups have been found in a Khazar/Magyar context as early as around the 8th century. Basically, simple dished shoulder "coups" seem to be quite standard in the Steppes context ...folks think this has something to do with the Saber and Horse ...

Norman

Well, Take a look at this here rule-set: http://www.geocities.com/kaganate/rulessft.html Not quite the culture y'all are looking for, but... Yehudah, If you've any interst in coming out brooklyn ways, I think we're looking pretty much at the same thing with my notion of "unrestricted Schlager". We c...

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Norman

Katana vs Greatsword -- Well, a Katana is much smaller. If you prefer a thirty inch blade to a five foot blade, then you'll like the Katana better. Usually though, at that length in the SCA folks use a shield ...which is not so apropriate with a Katana. OTOH - it would be apropriate to fight with tw...

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The one in my sig has been down for maintanance for a few days (I kinda ssumed they would cache the messages till they come back up, but - oh well). The others are firewalled at work and between kid and overdue aromuring jobs I check those bout once a month if that often. ------------------ Norman J...

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I thought the current thinking was that the Sutton Hoo helmet was either made in Sweden or by a Swedish artisan? ...Or that the decorative silver skinning was pressed from Swedish plates. All sorts of ideas out there. I have no idea. Maybe Chazz could contact the British museum (then report back to...

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Tresk, In Western Europe, I think in the 14th century the scale is limited to skirts and pauldrons -- big scales nothing particularly interesting. If you're a fan of exotic Scale, look into Russian, Byzantine, veeeery very late period Poland. Incidentally, what do mean by saying "European"? Technica...

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Norman could you give the the name of the books you got your info from it looks like the info I'm leaning towards. Well, I got a sort of collection sitting on my desk right now -- "King Arthur in Legend and History" Edited by Richard White - published by J.M.Dent, London, 1997 -- it's a big batch o...

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You are right about cost - high, especially if you want to take some of the master classes (which I'm thinking about... The Fiore class is damn tempting after the reviews here...) Yep, I wanted to take the Armoured combat with rebated swords - and that class is 50 bucks by itself (if I remember cor...

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What shield are you trying to aproximate? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - ht...

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Samuel, Just a note - There's a whole batch of vertical grilled helmets (I think they tend to be Burgonets) in the Metropolitan Museum. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract...

Norman

You can't understand my position, primarily because ...- to paraphrase - you can't understand the difference in definition, nor see any signifigant differences between re-creation, re-enactment, and living history. You assume all things are the same. Firstly, you mischaracterise my position. I cert...

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Actually, there is a period (European) illustration of a guy (Jesus, or some saint) on a donkey with a small "pistol" crossbow. (I think I saw this somewhere in AAMK) But no info on whether this could have been a take-down or if this could have at all been the case in persia. ------------------ Norm...

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I just can't help digging myself deeper. Thank you Steve for expressing exactly how I feel about the results of this thread. muttman said That is the (probably unintentional) vibe of smug omnipitance I got from Norman on the subject of bazubands. That was exactly what I feared of myself. I was also ...

Norman

First, Let me once more apologise for the admittedly possibly pissy phrasing of my objection. Let me state that Adam's technique is indeed fabulous, and I have a long way to go in many ways to aproach his technical ability. I will also state that his sense of artistic/aesthetic choice where it comes...

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no Janos pair hinge one from each side Oh, from your sites photo it looks like there is only one small plate. If your only issue was with the attatchment of the splints you should have said so, I did say precisely that right up front. ...and before that wanted to check that there was nothing I was ...

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Go to the Red Kaganate site - URL at my sig. Follow from there to "Resource Links", "Weapons" skim down to "Salamander Armoury". It will be a nice thing if you mention the Red Kaganate. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 T...

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Most definitely! ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http://www.geocities.com/ka...

Norman

WMA, Really, I keep trying to say ...and unfortunately failing and insulting further it's not at all the pattern I'm objecting to. Just the very minor matter of having the small plates attached where they are. Is it such a problem to attach at one side of the large plate? Or to make one small plate ...

Norman

Garridan - What's wrong with the "Noble Collection" stuff if you're not familiar with Western European armour styling?? IMHO - the armours are all made quite neatly and attentively -- they are a bit thinner at 18 guage then we're used to for SCA - but that's not a matter for quality at all - its a m...

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Anyone wanna split a ticket? TO elaborate -- This here is the event: http://www.ahfi.org/wmaw2001/ I can't make Friday or Saturday but want to go Sunday. Contacted them to ask if I could get a price break for the one day. Nice folks but still no-can do. 100 bucks is a big chunk of money. So - anyone...

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Anyone wanna split a ticket? TO elaborate -- This here is the event: http://www.ahfi.org/wmaw2001/ I can't make Friday or Saturday but want to go Sunday. Contacted them to ask if I could get a price break for the one day. Nice folks but still no-can do. 100 bucks is a big chunk of money. So - anyone...

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...of course, most important in the repertoire of the true Italian Sword Master were the Capelini gambit, and the Zeppoli attack -- ...the first also refered to by Silver as "the despicable practice of the damned Italians of flogging their enemy with a wet noodle" the second consisting of lobbing at...

Marshals Please - Heavy Gorget standards

New York Western Martial Arts Event - split a ticket anyone?

New York Western martial Arts Event