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by Norman
Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:09 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Helm Tops
Replies: 7
Views: 13

Tybolt -- That's exactly what I was talking about. But theirs is much more "duded up" then I'd presume you'll make your first one. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/...
by Norman
Mon Aug 06, 2001 11:46 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Sewing (?) leather
Replies: 17
Views: 13

Another option for you. I don't know how valuable for a European pattern -- but common on Chinese Coat armours. You have a back, a left front, and a right front. All are connected with temporary fasteners (ie: buttons on the chinese shirts, you'd probably use strap and buckles) but you'd normally on...
by Norman
Mon Aug 06, 2001 11:33 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Review - WMA Bazubands (pics)
Replies: 34
Views: 46

Garridan - I don't think you were paying attention to what I wrote. I stated explicitly that I had no problem with the SCA-rule concessions that WMA made. The problem I had was with the fact that the smaller plates are attached one to the one side of the big plate, the other to the other side. They ...
by Norman
Mon Aug 06, 2001 11:07 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Waiver Text - Input apreciated
Replies: 20
Views: 7

Um, on the Hot Cofee case -- I'm thinking that here we had a whole court case with inteligent lawyers on both sides, with the fast food establishment having the resources of a multi-national corporation on their side -- and yet the lady won. I realy think there must have been more to the case than w...
by Norman
Mon Aug 06, 2001 10:58 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Speculative Bayeux Tapestry Shield Strapping
Replies: 5
Views: 10

"4 bolts" are not inconsistant with center grip. You're thinking of using a "door handle" type center grip. Think different. Look to Turkish/Persian/Indian examples (to this day) -- two straps are used and the hand grips both straps together. This is shown in at least one place on the Tapestry and I...
by Norman
Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:46 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Helm Tops
Replies: 7
Views: 13

If this is your first helmet and you're not too sure on sizing and planishing, make a "spangenhelm" design with many pieces. (I'm assuming the Roman helmet you saw was a Romano-Sassanid "ridge" type spangenhelm?) Make the browband first -- it's a single strip of steel - make the strip of paper first...
by Norman
Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:33 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Review - WMA Bazubands (pics)
Replies: 34
Views: 46

Kyle - Japanese torso armor (the 'Do') is made up of five major sections. What does the construction of a Do have to do with a Bazuband? WMA - Norman, the design is all sca based, no historical basis for any of it. Grrr... Urm. Before jumping to conclusions and getting upset with you I wanted to che...
by Norman
Fri Aug 03, 2001 10:53 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Sewing (?) leather
Replies: 17
Views: 13

5 to 6 ounce I don't think you'd find a machine for unless you got some sort of industrial shoe-sewing thing. The old singers will handle clothing leather maybe up to Biker Jacket weight. But you are very far beyond that. You're talking about that soft textured leather that kinda stretches right? Yo...
by Norman
Fri Aug 03, 2001 10:29 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Waiver Text - Input apreciated
Replies: 20
Views: 7

What, all your groups are belong to us? Well, take a look at a map of the world. Now, superimpose on that map the kingdoms of the Turko-Mongols and kingdoms whose culture was substantially influenced by Turko-Mongol culture. Pretty much the only thing left of the "old world" is a little boil on its...
by Norman
Fri Aug 03, 2001 10:09 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: England/Ireland 6th cent
Replies: 18
Views: 20

Actually, I'd say Arthur'd be a bad guy for the Irish. His predecessors and himself led several invasions (at least according to the English historians I've read). I know I read a couple of medieval Scots historians and they call him a "usurper" -- they say Gawain was the rightful king but he was to...
by Norman
Fri Aug 03, 2001 10:00 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Tipping a Shlagger
Replies: 13
Views: 8

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by Norman
Thu Aug 02, 2001 4:25 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Blocking shots with a shield
Replies: 7
Views: 21

What kind of shield? Which period? I'd think there's a big difference between how one would use a 22" center grip round wicker shield on horseback vs. a 36" or so solid strapped wood and brass Hoplite shield in a solid pike formation vs. a horseman's kite shield vs. a 30" or so Viking linden-wood ro...
by Norman
Thu Aug 02, 2001 4:19 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Waiver Text - Input apreciated
Replies: 20
Views: 7

Noe, Like I said, I cribbed alot from St. Olaf. And they originally created it with the input of myself and others here, and cribbed part from the SCA. Just change all the names and don't blame me if someone sues. I have no idea what legal power that piece of paper holds. But why would you need it f...
by Norman
Thu Aug 02, 2001 11:28 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: vellum/parchment
Replies: 9
Views: 7

Krag, It's my impression that the thinner and more paperlike your parchment is, the better (though obviously even with modern applications we have different paper thicknesses for different reasons). I know that I have several small modern ritual texts that are written on parchment for religious reas...
by Norman
Thu Aug 02, 2001 10:44 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Waiver Text - Input apreciated
Replies: 20
Views: 7

Thanks guys! Ideval, I added a few lines for emergency contacts. Good idea. JT, My concern with language like that in this instance is that I could theoretically be left with him having the right to sue all he wants, while the Red Kaganate winds up with an obligation to let him fight whether he's sa...
by Norman
Thu Aug 02, 2001 10:01 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: BEG: How do you case-harden steel?
Replies: 11
Views: 21

Righto -- My shop techer in High School showed this method to me -- Essentially, Casenite is a powdered carbon (with whatever junk added in). You red heat your piece and the burry it in the powder -- the powder gets absorbed as a thin outer layer. as for case hardening armour -- i seem to remember s...
by Norman
Thu Aug 02, 2001 9:53 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Fencing - Good and Bad Rules
Replies: 60
Views: 41

My question to you is this: What do modern "olympic" standards require? A mask, jacket, one glove. If you're in a fancy competition - a pair of knickers. Otherwise folks wear shorts or sweats. However, a major difference is that in Saber the target is above the waist (head, arms, torso) in "histori...
by Norman
Wed Aug 01, 2001 1:36 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Waiver Text - Input apreciated
Replies: 20
Views: 7

Waiver Text - Input apreciated

Putting together a waiver text. Cribbed the basics off of "Company of St Olaf", Kinser, then elaborated. Your input is apreciated. Find it here: http://www.geocities.com/kaganate/waiver.html ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3...
by Norman
Wed Aug 01, 2001 1:30 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Fencing - Good and Bad Rules
Replies: 60
Views: 41

However, when fencing with epee/foil, especially in tournament (as opposed to melee), I see no reason for any more head/neck protection than a normal 3-weapon mask. I think I mentioned earlier how I gave a friend a nice scar on his throat while doing Saber pickups at a college meet. It wasn't perma...
by Norman
Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:18 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Review - WMA Bazubands (pics)
Replies: 34
Views: 46

I figured that was the case with the elbows. I'm curious about the arangement of smaller plates. I have never seen the smaller plates hinged at each side and meeting at the middle. I also don't remember seeing one hinged on leather in the way you did it (though I have seen helmet cheeks done that wa...
by Norman
Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:11 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Midwest Historical Fencers Project Seminar
Replies: 24
Views: 8

Janos,
I emailed you.

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by Norman
Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:57 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Review - WMA Bazubands (pics)
Replies: 34
Views: 46

Very pretty, very well finished. I gotta say though, I have never seen Bazubands of that type before. What was the historical model, if I may ask? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://w...
by Norman
Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:26 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Food - Looking for earliest references to Blinzes/Crepes
Replies: 13
Views: 9

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by Norman
Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:25 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Coat of Plate Varieties question
Replies: 32
Views: 61

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by Norman
Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:58 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Midwest Historical Fencers Project Seminar
Replies: 24
Views: 8

And it would cost me how much to get there? Sides, I ain't visiting you till I can come helmet in hand (or come visiting the helmet already insitu) http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif ...insidentally, you did not reply on the eyebrows, and while I'm at it -- wanted to double check with you on...
by Norman
Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:53 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Midwest Historical Fencers Project Seminar
Replies: 24
Views: 8

Ten bleedin dollars !?!?!?!

The thing in New YOrk is 100.
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by Norman
Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:34 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Fencing - Which SCA kingdom has Shlagger default
Replies: 23
Views: 10

Lyelf, as mentioned elsewhere -- not all of us WANT to fence "rapier" when we get our Schlagers and Epees. Re. Cuts - Yehudah is right on the terminology issue. There is even more difficulty -- the Saber cut can be differentiated from dangerous chops that are done with a different technique. But I (...
by Norman
Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:28 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Fencing - Good and Bad Rules
Replies: 60
Views: 41

Lyelf, I'm with Reinhard, I really don't see why we need to call what we do with epees and Schlagers "rapier". jgalak, See Lyelf's comments on DiGrassi -- Hah! We may prove to be in the same camp after all! Re the gorget for Schlager - I used to think like you, but when formulating rules, I am force...
by Norman
Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:56 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Vinilla in period?
Replies: 10
Views: 11

Actually Lisa, If not for the unfortunate side effects, Tobacco IS a pretty amazing psychotropic medication. It is a balancer -- if you're depressed, it brings your system up, if you're manic it depresses the system to a normal level. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road...
by Norman
Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:34 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: 12th century armour
Replies: 5
Views: 29

The Coat of Plates is not till mid 13th century. ...unless you're Middle Eastern - in which case you get to go all the way to the 9th cent. ...or Chinese - in which case at least to the 6th or maybe far earlier. On the other hand, for western Europe -- lamellar is certainly good for 12th century. .....
by Norman
Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:21 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Alternatives for Rattan
Replies: 43
Views: 22

Adriano, http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/biggrin.gif I think I vaguely remember that. Was that with Lorenzo Lamas in the lead? ...turns out he's like the reincarnated Alender the Great or somesuch. If that's the movie, totaly missed the scene, and the whole thing was too lame to pay much attention ...
by Norman
Mon Jul 30, 2001 11:12 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Early Warhammers?
Replies: 3
Views: 8

Hmn, this has been up for a while with no useful response. Mine may be of some minor help (maybe). Cervus-Stag, I'd love to see any documentation outside of Conan movies. (I'm not being snide - even though it may read that way, I really would love to see any documentation and am guessing you're thin...
by Norman
Fri Jul 27, 2001 10:01 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Alternatives for Rattan
Replies: 43
Views: 22

I've tried steel.
It feels a little different from rattan, but what can you do?
If you squint real hard, from a few feet away, the steel sword looks vaguely like a taped up stick of rattan.
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by Norman
Fri Jul 27, 2001 9:52 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Tipping a Shlagger
Replies: 13
Views: 8

Rev. George -- the link you posted doesn't work. Ideval -- That's a good idea but -- note the requirements for a substantial tip for the Schlagger. One would need to build up a base somehow under the dip. Any ideas? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geoci...