The Armour Archive

Norman

Urm, Matt -- Look you got the guy saying "plate maile"!!! [img]http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/mad.gif[/img] Esplin/Alex was right the first time -- Maile means armour of rings. It only meant something different in the early years of armour history and in D&D. Esplin/Alex - The same place I pointed...

Norman

Overlapped wouldn't be butted -- by definition. There are coats of overlapped but not riveted rings in the Kremlin armoury. I think they are from a latter period -- but it was done - so the possibility remains. (I think the categories I've seen listed were: Butted, Overlapped (without rivets) "Knott...

Norman

Less see... Weldable Steel is Mild Steel. That's what you want for closest to generi-Period. Steel weapons come in all weights and sizes and people fight with them in all sorts of ways. If you'll be working with a particular group, find out what their armour requirements are before you go buying stu...

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Tourist Trinket is a loaded word. If I remember my SCA-geek historical trivia, "tourist trinkets" started with cheap medalians made at pilgrim spots. In Jerusalem, this has never stopped being true. On my first trip, I got a Catholic friend a set of olivewood rosaries -- available at every tourist s...

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My suggestion's not overly helpful, so I kept waiting for someone else to answer. But ... These are fairly commonly available at Martial Arts stores and shouldn't be too pricey. Why not buy yourself some prototypes to work off?? (if its really tough for you, I work near China town, could try'n pick ...

Norman

I don't remember Robinson mentioning that one -- but I remember seeing it at the Met. Maybe you conflated a bunch of stuff I was saying and attributed to me the godly status of the Lord of Oriental and Roman armour? http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif Anyhow, there have been too many threads ...

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In the literature and plays of the 14th century the clergy were often portrayed in a less than redeeming manner. Would it be offensive to write such a story or to act out a play of such a nature? How do we then reconcile what occurred with people's modern sentiments? ------ AND ------------ ...

Norman

Somehow, I can't imagine a conquistador doing any more with one of those than hanging it on his wall. ...and even that seems less than likely -- it feels to me like the only thing they found to be value is the gold -- and didn't even keep it as art - but rather melted it down for cash. -------------...

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In general, there is a word for the re-enactment of religion: "sacrilege." In certain cases, ..."blasphemy." In some cases, the word for what you are doing depends on one's point of view. One person may see an acting out the consecration of a bishop as blasphemous fraud, while the another person ...

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I think he said that a kiln would be out of the question. If you have the patience, you can get a thin sheet just red on a stovetop (turn of your lights, set the piece down, and watch). Propane torch is obviously better. If all you're doing is anealing a piece of mild-steel while hammering armour yo...

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I'm not a Christian nor do I play one anywhere. But I thought I might have minor input on some of what you'd asked -- whould it offend you to know that I portray a templar in the SCA, will gladly take part in rituals of such if so asked, and yet I am not a catholic in mundane life? if so - why? With...

Norman

As a general rule for Osprey -- Don't trust the modern paintings except for very general guidelines. Dr. Nicolle will make definite statements of fact for things that may possibly be just his theories. Read the text, look at the line drawings and period art to analize for yourself, then follow-up wi...

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Lamellar. I have a pretty full how to on the Red Kaganate site. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors...

Norman

Did you test for brittleness?? What result? (without salt -- I wound up going with cooler water and having to trade hardness for toughness -- the harder plates would snap given a good flex in the hand) Just FYI - Royal Armouries Yearbook mentions Lye added in a recipe they found (but I think that's ...

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malaki - 'kay, I thought it was well known to all that SCA does not play religion. Also alot of KSCA folks choose to find the apropriate period/place title to call themselves. I thought that may have been your question. -- A KSCA with a Muslim personna would, in that reading of the situation, call ...

Norman

Who's Atar? Is there a Web Address? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http://w...

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widow montoya -- If you read the Medieval literature you will likely note that, as Murdock said, the Knight was first and foremost the military arm of the church. If people in the SCA with non-Christian or even non-European personnas like to style themselves "knight"... well, that is their business....

Norman

warclub - Uriel put up a direct link to my article on the subject -- plenty of pics there. Go look. On guages and such - Remember there will be alot of overlap going on -- so whatever guage steel you use will actually be doubled in alot of places. Also remember that the backing is supposed to be ess...

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You may also want to check the Pet stores -- dog collars are pre-made armour strapping. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geoc...

Norman

Historically speaking - The only thing I've seen like that is some islander armour in Stone's "Glossary..." It's probably the same folks in the article Sigeric gives the link to. I don't think this is apropriate to an SCA context, but hey -- I heard of Aztec warriors, I seen 18+ century North Americ...

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Did they let you kill any Saracens? I probably spelled that wrong Jew is easier to spell. http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif Thats the only Church in Europe for most of the period knighthood exists. So until there are protestants i guess you would be Catholic to be a knight. Greek Orthodox ...

Norman

Fearghus, was wondering how you center grip fighters keep your shield from tunring in your grip? i.e., someone presses the right side of your shield and it turns to open up your left side to nice deep wrap. I'm only good as a light-armour fighter (ie: epee/schlagger), so I don't know if this is rele...

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There were Kurgan excavations as far back as the time of Peter I. (A recent exhibition at the Met included some "antiquities books" which had been Peter's - these include quite decent illustrations) Vasnetsov has a painting of Slavs vs Scythians and, I think, he was painting in the late 19th century...

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Look at the Red Kaganate site (section on Flags) ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kagana...

Norman

"pre 1500" is nigh near forever. Yes, there were two piece helmets. posting a pic would be helpful to a useful answer. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Je...

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Alexi's right regarding the Schiavona basket -- what I've seen, they're actually just really densely woven rapier guards -- with the "Italian grip" on the inside - so you've got that cross to put your finger round. Which, at a guess, implies a very different technique in using it than a Claymore. (a...

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Russ -- I've got two separate places where I'm coming from. The "Ofycina Naukowa" book (if that's what I was reading) calls single edged Sabers "Palash". The second is a Hermitage (or was it Kremlin? - I haven't looked at it in a bit) publication cataloguing their late/pre-revolution bladed weapons ...

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Magmaforge Another idea, though less likely in my mind, did they know of the more efficient manner of blocking?(IE with the flat or at an angle). These were Yvain and Gawain -- the greatest knights of the fellowship of king Arthur (itself the greatest fellowship of knights on earth)!!! How can you e...

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Maybe he's saying, "they were hitting each other with the edge, not with the flat, because they were good and skilled knights, not doofoses who don't know where their edge is cause they train with ratan sticks?" http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif This may well be the case. http://www.armour...

Norman

Crom! A Conan appears in the Bayeaux Tapestry (he's Breton), but more likely would be TWO Conans in the Cuchulain cycle, one bad, one good. The Cimmerians are presented as some sort of proto-Scot (but not Pictish), yet they seem to have Scandinavian characteristics... Righto. I'm guessing the "Scan...

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struck at each other with the edge, not the flat part of the blade I generally understood this and similar statements in the Romances to mean that the fighers were striking each other with the edge (implying that the norm for friendly contests was to strike with the flat). This seems to be th...

Norman

In Chretien de Troyes "Percival, the Knight of the Grail", Gawaine accepts a favor to wear in a tourney. The presentor is the "damsel of the little sleeves" and the favor is one of her sleeves. If I'm not misremembering, Gawaine hangs the sleeve off his helmet. But check me -- go read the poem. ----...

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Hold up a minite Russ ... Regarding the following quote and subsequent discussion (which looks like it may be miscommunication) What differentiates these critters from sabres and backswords, is that these things are tip-heavy, and designed for use as pure cutters What are meaning when you say Backsw...

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Regarding the title of MASTER in SCA and in Period -- There is one substantial problem with the structure of Mastery in the SCA -- it is my understanding that one can be an Aprentice to a Laurel who is a Master in a completely different Craft than what the Aprentice is doing (ie: an armourer Aprenti...

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Gawain and the Green Knight has a Beheading Game as the feature that sets up and moves the story. A similar Beheading Game is the central feature in one of the better known Cuchulaine stories. However, the underlying issues and motiffs of the two stories differ substantially. Here's a Sarmatian Arth...