The Armour Archive

Norman

In response to Lodhur's request for advice - So - you just have a one-piece basic bowl with grill attached?? and you're definitely not doing any metal modifications? ... I think a soft leather aventail is not such a horrible solution -- bring it as far up the face as you can stand (though really a m...

Norman

Alcyoneus -- Maile would function just as well as a Henry VIII suit for this purpose. Deacon -- Have you seen a Sabre Fencing outfit? The material itself is the contact then there's a wire connecting the mask to the body, and another connecting the body to the sensor wire. Here it would be the plate...

Norman

The SCA does not have Wars. They have Combat Games that are called Wars. If they were Wars, so called "resurection battles" would make no sense whatsoever, and each kill would lead to the need to redo your personna. ...and hanging out with your pals from the opposing side would be treason (...and ce...

Norman

As one of the few in the proud Order of the Electric cord, I can tell you that there aint no way SCA will buy into it -- no matter how technically feasible. ...I had proposed using electric epee equipment for registering thrusts in rapier. The technology is readily available, including very small li...

Norman

Ondart, this may stretch things a bit - but if insist on 12th cent, and you need visible, then you kinda have to -- There's a statue on a French Cathedral (not sure if Chartres or not - its in Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight) just about the period you want - of a character in scale with splin...

Norman

Just as a By-the-Way Yall -- At the Kaganate - I put up some clothing articles and should be putting at least one more up within the day. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.entera...

Norman

Sean -
I spose most directly - as you were the one to mention the possibility.
But I guess anyone realy.
I am currently under the impression that 11th century Spaniards were likely using pretty much the same one-handed long-swords as most of the rest of the world (certainly the rest of Europe).

Norman

Jagatei -- Yep - it's a difference in our philosophies. I really don't think military combat is a viable interpretation of an SCA event while keeping to personna. ...do you get together a new personna every time you are "killed"?? ...and a Mongol invader would not have had a beer with a German eithe...

Norman

The rule should say -- you're wearing what you're wearing -- and you're having fun with your friends so you have no business trying to kill them!! Then there should be discussion and establishment of a reasonable blow weight for a blow to be accepted. (similar to modern epee -- but without the elect...

Norman

Huh ??
A 2 handed sword in the 11th century??

Norman

Vermin - Yeay !!! http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/biggrin.gif Jagatei and Bojei Temur - Like I think I've said before - the Italian monks can't be the end-all-be-all. Here -- I think its Carpini what says that the "wicker" shield was only used on guard duty in camp. But we have a substantial body o...

Norman

I gots word on my computer. ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarriors The Red Kaganate - http://www.geoci...

Norman

Extortionist -- Your high-school history book is wrong. (they generally are on the details) The earliest maile found was in 5th cent BCE Scythian graves. There's no record written or otherwise before that time that I have ever been able to find. All the atributions to an earlier apearance seem to be...

Norman

Janos - did you note the Yurt suppliers at The Red Kaganate links? ------------------ Norman J. Finkelshteyn Armour of the Silk Road - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/3505 The Silk Road Designs Armoury - http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad Jewish Warriors - http://www.geocities.com/jewishwarri...

Norman

Sasa, Don't send anything else until you receive the stuff I promised. I feel bad enough as it is. The only holdup is that I just never got the chance to visit Barnes and Noble (and the different store where I am did not have the book you are looking for). If I can't get to it this week, I'll just o...

Norman

Owen - No - I'm not going to bother -- let them find our original discussion if they are curious. and I believe Vermin knows my position and arguments from my conversation with him regarding different option for putting together an SCA Landsknecht kit. Jagatei - What's your personna ?? Guessing some...

Norman

Sasa -- You are absolutely right! Problem is - no one wants to help in writing stuff - just criticise http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/frown.gif This particular issue is due to a problem of modern reenactment. Once you permit a personna type - You can not control the number of reenactors that will c...

Norman

As I understand, Vikings mostly fought on foot and used big assed round shields (somewhere round 30" ?) On the Steppes most nobility (and pretty close to everyone else) fought on horseback -- so the shields are smaller -- Maximum I'd go with is 24" -- on average something around 20" ...though there ...

Norman

Harold -- Bad show for starting people up with no reason!!! We've done this to death already! Micah_Rose Nobody will claim that an early period helm had a grille. But if you want to wear one for SCA combat, you've got to have one. No Micah, if you look hard enough, you are likely to find a helm in m...

Norman

LR of E - <I>I agree, That duct tape covered piece of wood with a basket hilt is a sword in 13th century turkey no matter what anybody tells me ...So if this person wants to play ME fencer go ahead ...But the guy on the other end of the other list I'm on is seeming to insist that rapiers as we know ...

Norman

Thanks all! Sasa, thanks for the links. Ziad -- I basically thought the way you did on the Artamonov piece - wanted a sounding board. ...my big hesitation with Gumilevika is that the site has alot of other cool stuff on it -- and I can't reprint it all -- I'm sure there's copyrights hiding somewhere...

Norman

China - 6th century CE. ...alright, that's first use as cited by Robinson. Gorelik puts them in the Middle East in the 9th century. They were certainly in use in Russia by around 1240 -- Mid 13th century is also about the earliest West European apearance we have. (that's if you define Brigandine as ...

Norman

If you don't define what we do with MODERN fencing weapons as "Rapier Duello" then I don't see what the problem is with Middle Eastern people fencing. A rapier is a particular, very specific type of sword -- in which case it would be inapropriate to call a weapon from India a Rapier. But -- epee and...

Norman

Are there Adji and Suleimanov sites? Do you want to write up a brief summary? Re: Gumilev and the Gumilevika site -- The problem is that this site presents far more than just sloppy research. And it hits me real personal -- As the critique article points out - Gumilev seems to paint the Jews as an e...

Norman

Appologies to most of the folks here as the below referenced materials are in Russian. As editor of The Red Kaganate, it has recently been brought to my attention that are substantial problems with the "Gumilevica" site and the works of Gumilev himself. ...it is interesting that the Gumilevica edito...

Norman

WMA -- There are early grave finds and artistic representations -- you don't have to rely on ambiguous text. If I'm remembering correctly, the earliest is 5th cent BCE Scythian, next up is 4th cent BCE Celt (no I have no idea where from) ...and a few more Celt ones. I have never read anything decent...

Norman

Matt / Dweezle --

There's a guy in NY who used to use a "Herringbone pattern" maile shirt --
it looked quite cool actually.

Norman

Caspian - All Roman armour is originally from others -- First from the Greeks/Etruscans, then from Celts/Gauls, toward the end from Persia/Central Asia ...the Segmented armour may have been about the only fully Roman design -- but it comes long AFTER Maile is fully adapted from the Greeks (the Maced...

Norman

As Lu-Shan said -- You just need a few lines of code and you've got a basic HTML page to send folks to - Case you don't know how: (replace "{" and "}" with "<" and ">") {html} {body} Any Text you want on the page. {img src=yourpicture.jpg} Some more text. {img src=yourpicture2.jpg} A bit more text. ...

Norman

Just a friendly reminder to share with all the folks out there in Web Land -- The Editor of the Red Kaganate Steppes reenactment resource awaits your contributions. http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/biggrin.gif ...and I'm not just saying that cause I want a decent Kaftan too. http://www.armourarchive...

Norman

I'll stay out of the Viking thing till someone else posts something to disagree with. The Golden Horde period in Eastern Europe and Western Steppes you have a pick of: Maile (often this was worn with the other stuff), Brigandine (or Coat of Plates), Lamellar, Scale, Big Scales or Exterior Coat of Pl...

Norman

Drake, I was actually not talking about the health dangers of eating your own dead but the health issues involved in eating your dead companion animal. If he'd died of "natural causes" or was "put to sleep" because he was old and sickly -- the sicknesses that had been tormenting his body may get you...

Norman

What Matt drew is the common thing. But Connoly (Greece and Rome at War) has a drawing of a Roman carving (I think that's what it was) that shows it 90 degrees off, and I just saw drawings of a Golden Horde burial find with a helmet -- the maile curtain had been reconstructed again 90 degrees off. H...

Norman

Well, what good are th two posts above -- nothing to argue about http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif schreiber - Thank you very much http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif The right tool for the right job - are familiar with the type of coups I'm talking about? IMHO - At the very least, t...

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Shreiber - Vermin doesn't have to be defended. He is not under attack. His kit is just being used as a handy example. Vermin - See the above note to shreiber. As to the sleeves ripping on the elbow coups. Are you sure you're using the right elbow coups? You don't want the Italian-style small ones wi...

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