The Armour Archive

Norman

Nope I don't own a Coat of Plates (I have something similar with exterior plates attached on internal leathers) But if you mean those nasty French fellows who slaughtered the citizens of Jerusalem (Bohemond and Tancared's boys) -- There are those who posit that the Coat of Plates developed from armo...

Norman

The similarity in construction and "plate" layout between the Native American wooden armour and a Wisby type II coat of plates is striking. There are only so many ways, mechanically, to wrap a human body in rigid plates such that it is protected from blunt trauma and edged attack while al...

Norman

...or they would have asked why the "Sword of St. Michael" happened to have been a late medieval or renaissance design rather than something more ancient. Michael is an angel not a person. Time is a human pOV phenomenon. There is therefore realy no reason for him NOT to have a sword of a ...

Norman

hendrik de coster wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Koryak_armor.jpeg

That's normal international style lamellar.
Its in the Museum of Natural History right now
I think (if I'm not misremembering) it may be iron ...possibly hardened leather -- certaily NOT wood

Norman

I think that this might be a depiction of a multi-ethnic force.. I agree that the archers may be Jews- the beards and hats alone make this likely, but notice that the armoured men-at-arms in the picture come in both fair-and-dark-skinned varieties... Skin color would not indicate anything at least ...

Norman

000-talet f.Kr. - 000-talet - 100-talet 000-century BC. - 000-century - 100th century Might have something to do with the language. Talet means century and Â¨the numberÂ¨. This isnt my subject so I hope someone else can clear things up. I think this is a language issue The year 1 is not the same as...

Norman

from that same page
"the quilted cotton escupil"

There's your whole description. Its a quilted coat. All you need is the specific fashion that it was worn in.

Norman

From the pieces that I have seen, think more along the lines of hardwood slats laced together with sinew... not a lot of overlap, so I wouldn't call it lamellar per se. Perhaps lamellar in the generic sense - ie: plates held together by chord. Found an image http://americanindian.si.edu/searchcolle...

Norman

Hold up a second!! The "dunce caps" on the supporting archers here m I'm not so up on the Spanish iconography but normaly in Western Europe this would specificaly identify the characters as Jews. As such, I would now caution that the tassels on the shields may also signify an ethnic or rel...

Norman

yes in a nice cool climate a coat would be great under the lam however in Oklahoma and Texas we fight in 104 in the shade. Last summer's crown tourney the heat index was 120 in the parking lot that we were fighting in. Let's be honest. Only the Oerthan's have event's inside year round and that's du...

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He informed me that he dates things using the metalogical dating system. According to him the 13th century would be anything that fell between 1300 and 1399. He's an idiot You don't need to think about any system - just think logicaly: First Century - begining of the count to 99 go from there The g...

Norman

I've assembled a fair number of Byzantine and Byzantine-influenced images of people wearing this hood/scarf/thingy - I just haven't had the time to upload them. A gentle nudge - please do remember Dr Tim Dawson associates them with the garment/s called pelonia in the Book of Ceremonies of Emperor C...

Norman

The bag is an aproximation of Magyar / Khazar pouches kinda combining characteristics of both but not quite catching the detail of either. But ... in a mostly plausible manner. The only strong issue is that as far as I know all of them hung from extensions connected to the belt (ie: a perpendicular ...

Norman

Barnet wrote:If you cut your own lacing aren't they a little short? or does it matter?

You cut leather cord not straight but in an inward spiral. So a foot square of leather does NOT make a big batch of 12" cords -- rather one long cord by spiraling in - whatever that measures.

Norman

Period body armour varies from 20 to 16 guage Asiatic armour (ie: Persian, Turkish) tends closer to 20 West European "normal" armour around 18 There are specialty armours (like for joust on horseback) where the plate can be 1/8 thick or even thicker Where you have small plates with alot of...

Norman

The fellow with the round shield clearly draws the eye and is therefore the real center of the tableu. Notice too how the warrior with the round shield differs from the rest with a helmet with retractable nasal and opened aventail. The armour is oriental in contrast to the Western armour of the rest...

Norman

Kang wrote:the period Nazi's

Unless you have had family and the majority of your tribe sadisticaly slaughtered by living history enthusiasts, please keep in mind us oversensitive types and avoid that term.

Thank you

Norm

Norman

Definitely 19-20 cent with the crosses and the guy bowing and the Mustaches - probably Eastern Europe.
Could even be 21st cent - post communist monumental religion rebirth

Norman

OK so back to my idea. My idea was, to do a "plague ball" around Halloween time. Have somewhat the same theme of the story. But try to set it in a more period fashion. Middle of the 13 hundreds, Black Death is running rampant throughout the Italian countryside. A noble decides to hold a p...

Norman

In SCA, does it matter if your armor is modified? Like a helmet that doesnt go with the rest of the suit(example: closed helm with lorica seg.)? Or not completly accurate remakes of armor (examples: a few flaws in design or made in a different way)? Last event I saw a guy in a Classical-Greekish he...

Norman

I was thinking of using silk cord Where can I get silk cord at a tolerable price? I am remembering a Chinese Empirial decree requiring Armourers to use leather cord. I'm guessing they knew from silk and thought the leather worked better. On my first set of WMA lams I used latigo from Tandy and it d...

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But I had a friend who is a Duke ask me who I was squired to and I was taken aback because it didn't occur to me that it might resemble a squire's belt. That is not a red belt. I am a part-time professional (ie: published) artist and have taken formal courses including theory and history. My wife h...

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Planno Carpini (or was it another Italian) describes folks making it at the fireside.... Making it by the fire doesn't mean it was leather. They could be lacing metal together. Carpini also mentions their armor was thin metal plates polished to a mirror finish. Let me rephrase - There is a descript...

Norman

My other comment would be on the use of leather. I haven't personally seen extant leather lamellar from the Mongol period, or even descriptions of it. Can someone correct me if I am wrong? Planno Carpini (or was it another Italian) describes folks making it at the fireside. There are Chinese text r...

Norman

This is the site I picked up the photo from. Unfortunately it does not show a date for the boot. The other gear is anywhere 12 to 14 cent. So you could be right. Though there is a well preserved purse that is labeled 10 to 15th cent. So : shrug : m David Nicolle has a photo with date in his Armies o...

Norman

This kind of hat/scarf appears a fair bit in Byzantine imagery, but I'm not sure whether it's always associated with Jewish people. Can you possibly provide other images of these? Is there a reconstruction? Would it be possible to get context? (ie: scenes with description- so as to evaluate the Jew...

Norman

Some Gupta coinage. This is all I can find online. Sorry, ...Oh, let me note that their nomadic enemies are referred to as "The White Huns." Beats me as to why, though. traditional altaic direction colors - "white" for eastern, black or blue for western (compare "Blue Turk&...

Norman

Benedek wrote:I was more referring to the leather lamellar, I should have noted that.

There are three there.
Numbered 1, 2 and 5.
While 1 and 2 seem historical from what I can tell,
number 5 is clearly a fabulous fantasy

This one (higher in the thread) is one of the actual 14th cent or so suits:
http://home-4.worldonline.nl/~t543201/w ... rmour2.jpg

Norman

http://www.travisconn.com/armor/armor.html Take a look through here for some idea's on Mongols. While amazing art, the armour on this page is fantasy (note the "Mong'inthian" helmet) http://www.cucas.edu.cn/uploads/image/brig-chn.gif I wish there was a way to control where things go when ...

Norman

Too many SCA helms have the backplates too straight and too long

There is definitely room for both slanting and articulating.

Norman

Nothing now that you show me that picture I did not know of "vikings" actually wearing tall boots. I thought that was fantasy and all the actual boots were ankle boots. NOT Viking - Russian. Important distinction - its the merging of the various cultures. The boots are realy far more typi...

Norman

Halbrust wrote:The boots here look wrong. Am I wrong?
http://dom-np.narod.ru/rekon/gulbishe2.html

What do you think is wrong with the boots?

For comparison, here is a boot from Novgorod, I think 11th cent.

Norman

Can't see Ogedei's kit (can't see flikr pages where I am) and will not comment on that. My own independent take on the idea of creating SCA-use Mongol armour -- First, it must of course be noted that the Mongols moved from Mongolia in the 12th century through most of the world by the 13th and 14th a...

Norman

This is what I can offer: m not directly on point but will give you leads. If you look at the quote from the Shah Nameh (the page titled "The splendour of a Persian War Camp", the Persians certainly used heraldic type color and image identifiers -- but this will likely not quite match the ...

Norman

Does anyone have any pictures of gauntlets of this time period? We have a new fighter working hard to reconstruct Carolingian armour and he wants SCA legal and authentic hand protection. Any other contemporary pictures would be appreciated. Tascius - your links are helping a lot these Iranian(?) ga...

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Re: Color of my belt, do I need to change it?

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