The Armour Archive

Norman

The consensus on this thread seems to be that doing this kind of conversion is *not* as easy as it might seem. Perhaps that's why more people aren't doing it. Not every SCA fencer is a skilled metalworker. It is a given that learning metal work from scratch by yourself is not likely. However, you s...

Norman

I have a home at
www.srdarts.com

I just haven't had the time/energy to put everything back together.

I have noted however that www.archive.org has done a good job of having most of my stuff still in place.

Norman

Related question: Are sepulchral monuments like effigies found in Russia or nearby areas? The furthest east monument I have found is from Ruszcza, Poland (depicting typical western european armour, for what its worth). I don't believe so. I have never ran across any reference. Considering how often...

Norman

sha-ul wrote:
Norman wrote:I would love to attend to this discussion but unfortunately, where I read the Archive, flikr is blocked -- so I can not see any of the images.

is photobucket blocked as well Norman?

I think that works

Norman

Sorry - just a description - There is a circa 12 ...maybe 13th cent statue at the Metropolitan Museum, New York (some sort of "torture of Jesus" topic) with a very detailed view: A tallish round ("egg shaped") cap helmet over mail (probably hood). The strap is "Y" shape...

Norman

I built strapped Italian ones as an aprentice lo-so-many years ago. The top on the one at the URL you show seems needlessly deep - looks like it may lose mobility for it. Ours was cut out in an upwards curve so that there was less doubled metal. Maybe this is difference between Italian and English o...

Norman

I have bought them. Long time ago The major warning is that for the conical you still need to some work -- they start out round but with a weird cut-out at the top, you then need to raise the point But maybe if you ask they'll give you pre-raised (or maybe they come pre-raised nowadays - I bought mi...

Norman

I would love to attend to this discussion but unfortunately, where I read the Archive, flikr is blocked -- so I can not see any of the images.

Norman

Gulbishe, Chernigov mid 10th century, discovered 1872 WARNING -- the "sleeveless" coat was only drawn that way to show the mail coat underneath -- It actualy is supposed to have FULL SLEEVES This is the often discussed giant warrior. The body was not available to measure (burnt) but the h...

Norman

The basic look is a high pointed helmet without back or ear plates. Sometimes it is deep with eye cutouts and sometimes a face cutout like a very shallow bascinet. Most commonly however, it is just straigh across. The attached photo is probably the most typical helmet of the period but the face plat...

Norman

So, this Christmas I asked my mom for a good book or two on the Roman empire.....somehow I ended up with two well written basic histories of Russia. May be the R confused her! Or maybe what with Russia being the inheritor of Rome's mantle of Empire. In both books I have found references to the batt...

Norman

You sure we can't find a citation for the no sleeves thing? Cause that guy looks pretty sweet. I am sure that in this particular case the artist wanted to show the mail underneath the coat though he understood the coat to be long sleeved. I make no assertion about any other possible cases out in th...

Norman

Looking at those pics (and others like them), there is a clear overlap! That could be the artist, but there seems to be a theme as there are many different pieces that share that chararistic. I'm inspired! Is there solid evidence of CoPs with plates on the outside? This is a discussion of exactly t...

Norman

Halbrust wrote:More information on the giant 10th century Scandinavian nobleman buried near Chernigov would be greatly appreciated (IM sent saying the same)

Here
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?t=110213

Norman

In one of the threads, I was asked to give more info on a burial in Ukraine. I thought, rather than bury this on the bottom of a thread -- give it a new one and expand a bit. So -- Here are three 10th centruy burials of great importance for early "Rus" reenactment. Two are in the area of C...

Norman

Oh!
If you are looking for late 19th early 20th century Russian carts and having trouble, try googling Tachanka - this is a Civil War weapon created by mounting a machine gun on a civilian cart.

Norman

I've commonly used nails without concern for alloy or type for rivet applications without a problem. -- before learning to armour, I learned metal work in High School shop and we normally used nails to make flush rivets. On my gauntlets which articulate on leathers, I used nails with over-large flat...

Norman

I got volunenteered to help with the local high school musical This year it's Fiddler on the Roof. Most of the prop list is pretty easy Sorry nothing on the cart but -- Some unwanted advice on props from the audience: I went to the big broadway revival of Fiddler with Molina 1) at one point, the wo...

Norman

I am a little unsure what Halbrust was noticing. Not sure I understood the sentence. To wearing a helmet with a mail drape without mail for the rest of the body -- in pre-Mongol (ie: through the first half of 13 cent) "Eurasia" there was a fashion for mail draped helmets always while the b...

Norman

Konstantine Great writeup. Now it needs pictures!!!! In Brooklyn, I never did make a workbench. I had a bunch of scrounged desks and cabinets. Now I'm rebuilding and would realy like to do up a good one. Though I do most of the real armouring work traditional-like - crosslegged on a small rug

Norman

Its no good using the Mongol terms because they seem to refer more to the cut of the armour than the construction (essentialy a term that translates something like "plate-armoured long coat" will refer to lamellar, external plates or internal plates) and we're not speaking solely Mongol or...

Norman

The notion of not neutering animals is repellant to me. "Sure, produce tens of thousands of unwanted, intelligent animals then kill 'em for their coats." Sorry, not only do I disagree with "hey, let's harvest the strays for fur" Not fur - fur, leather, food ... I am equaly oppos...

Norman

chef de chambre wrote:Rather, it is lumping the European terms to arbitrarily cover armours manufactured outside of Europe which is the modern attermpt to create a artificial system of classification.

That's what I said

Norman

Dan Howard - At what point do the plates become small enough to be classed as scale armour? chef de chambre - I don't think it is so much size of plates, as to wether they are sewn to a foundation under them, as opposed to the foundation going over them and having a decorative cover. Exposed plates...

Norman

BRAN STOP spending money !!! Read the quote below. I have seen a few people try armouring and decide it was not for them. Don't invest an S'load of money befoe you realise what the work involves. If there are "garage armourers" by you -- hang out with them and work with them for a bit. Th...

Norman

My shield shall not last too long I figure. Not with the heavy hitters we got round these part's. You should still pro'ly cover it so's not to "offend the neighbors" After that I will make a shield with serious intent. A local brewery will allow me to borrow some keg's so that I can curve...

Norman

I wish more people did these cultures:( There are lots of cool buckles, brooches etc. that I'd love to make. mark Mark, There are tons of us who do these cultures. Currently there are only 2 real choices in the US that sells to us. Urweg who's work is museum quality but out of 80% of peoples price ...

Norman

You wanna have a name like Witchburner, go ahead. You want to be known as Adolf JewGasser, knock yourself out. I think this is an excelent example of why the rule is in place. If, when I came to my first demo, someone came up and introduced himself as "Lord Adolf JewGasser" (or, lets be m...

Norman

O !! Gospodi, pomilui!!!!! eto ne trudnoja zodacha prochitatj knigu o istorii Rusi i o slavjan ! V internete polno etoi informacii, k tomuzje v ochenj chotkom opisanije. Smeshno chitatj tvojo bednoje znanije istoriji ...gde vremja, narodi i deistvija pereputoni mestami...mozet lutshe tebe nado pres...

Norman

You do realize that the Khazars took Judiasm as their state religion, so as not to piss off the Greek Church (Byzantium and Rus) and the Turks and other Islamic peoples in the area..... I never bought that line. You have two "world religions" who both think they have a monopoly on truth a...

Norman

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Будёновка The Russian version is not muddled and very different text. Its interesting that in the "introductory paragraph" it gives the Imperial story but then in the "History of creation" paragra...

Norman

That said, anyone trying to wear cat skin today - very, very not cool. Ditto on dog and other animals we hold of value... I own a cat and I love my cat as a member of my family But I gotta ask -- why the heck not?! Feral cats are a major problem in Jerusalem (my daughter started to play a game of c...

Norman

well closed face would be plates on the inside of the "backing" where open faced is like m This link is blocked by my office security so can't comment on the specific picture. "Braveheart" was an especial travesty of historical costuming. But Coat of Plates armour with plates on...

Norman

I am sorry I am being a bit lazy.
I know that I have posted images of period Mongol lamellar

See if you can find it via search.

Front opening with buckles and straps is certainly common enough.

See if you can google around for the armour from the Tibet exhibition at the Metropolitan museum.

Norman

Some observations on the image and manuscript and its usefulness in interpreting kit: 1) The particular image depicts Mongols "Batu's Tatars conquered the Ugrians, and took Menush ...and brought him to Batu" Not Russians. So, if any results could be drawn from the images, this would not be...

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